Its very interesting how Katie promotes her illnesses and sicknesses, real and/or imagined. As mentioned above, any ethical person in a psychotherapeutic setting would never even mention an illness, never mind Blog about it in highly manipulative and exaggerated ways. Just from the CD "A Thousand Names For Joy", Katie basically lists every illness she has ever had..false cancer scar
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The complexity and subtlety of this is why people need to do some serious study of these Advanced forms of Persuasion that are being used these days. It all started when the NLP guys studied Milton Erickson, and wrote all those books, and it went from there. Now they have fused it with Social Influence, Social Engineering, and advanced Sales techniques, and many other things. Byron Katie seems t
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· Here are some rough notes about the Byron Katie 5 CD set “A Thousand Names For Joy”. Its important to begin the process of analysis, which is ongoing. · This is not just a typical CD of strange stories and comments by some lady who sounds kinda “weird”. Not even close. This is some very dangerous material, for certain people with certain vulnerabilities. Some people would just switch it o
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Yikes, check out the hypnotic text EXCERPT from the Byron Katie certified facilitator Diane Bradshaw.. Notice how slick it looks and sounds? Just like a conversation. She even buries the 4 Questions slightly, without saying Byron Katie, to draw you in. This reads like advertising copy, but its really a light Trance Induction, just to start to draw you in. Spot the embedded commands...lea
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not only that, Lysette Offley's own bio TEXT is her first attempt to put you into Trance using a Cue. (Trance is focussed Attention) "the soothing voice you hear"...that is a hypnotic command... and its an Induction...its a basic one...like... "as you hear the sound of my voice you may find yourself going on a journey into yourself...that's right...yeah...soot
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not too be too too anal ...but its always important to END these types of metaphorical self-trance images, to bring them to a conclusion...so they don't stay somewhat "frozen" in the mind. Its really just Active Imagination...which is a type of self-hypnosis...each person is very unique...and sometimes a person can do the images repeatedly...and modify them. (if any powerful emot
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jj, all I can say is the guy appears to have openly told a bunch of BS? I don't see anything wrong on calling that out in the open. Also, I have never seen anyone break out of an LGAT without get a bit pissed off. Nothing wrong with being a bit angry, its healthy boundaries. With very strong boundaries, its much more difficult to get sucked in. Forceful boundaries keeps them from hammering
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a friend just lent me a CD set... A THOUSAND NAMES FOR JOY, 6 hours of audio from someone named Byron Katie, and her renowned unknown hubbie Stephen Mitchell. Lets put it on right now.. ...New Age music...so spiritual...I am in a Trance already.... - Stephen Mitchell starts with a preframe, and the false origin Story. - pitch the 4 Questions...this is very Trancy already...confusing
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one can expect various promoters of The Work, to come here and elsewhere and try to use The Work against The Facts. They usually try to send a few folks out to put out fires, and tell the other people to just IGNORE the evildoers trapped in their Minds and factual reality. DENY, IGNORE. It never ceases to amaze how various New Age culty groups about alleged Love and God and all that, seem t
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Hi vlinden... you question seems easy, but its not! You are asking...what is the Mind? :-) The first thing expert hypnotists do is prove there is no such thing as hypnosis. I actually agree. Its semantics. Sowhen somebody says THERE IS NO HYPNOSIS, that is the first step in the waking Trance. But, to be specific, here are some links. #1) don't spend 1 penny on this, its full of scam
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In my experience, all of these new agey type culty groups have their own demographic audience. So Byron Katie is appealing to a certain segment of the population, from their materials, it appears to be mostly women, and women who are in a lot of pain, and women who MAY have a bit of the "disease too please" and be "too nice", and who are also HIGHLY SUGGESTIBLE TO HYPNOSIS an
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I think is where some people who don't know any better say that The Work sounds like Cognitive Therapy. That is like saying a monkey and a mountain are the same as they both stick out of the ground. Cognitive Therapy examines Thoughts-Cognitions, but in a very balanced and careful way. One of the things one does is look for Cognitive Distortions, and work to modify them. Like the list fr
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If Katie asked one that stacked forced-choice mantra leading question..one could reply... Katie, why are you trying to manipulate me with a Forced-Choice, Leading Question stacked with Presuppositions, and a hypnotic double-bind? QuoteThe AnticultQuotejj52 However, she does repeat this phrase like a mantra to trance-induced people: "If The Work were the only way to God, would you tak
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Quotejj52 However, she does repeat this phrase like a mantra to trance-induced people: "If The Work were the only way to God, would you take it?" That is what they call Presupposition in NLP, and also hypnosis. It also has the illusion of CHOICE, its a Forced-Choice. Presuppositions: If its the ONLY way to God..that presupposes God exists, and that The Work exists and works.
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Check out yet another creepy and shameless blog entry, this one from Neale Donald Walsch from Conversations with God, about Byron Katie. He "meets" Byron Katie in her "parlor" for a few minutes, and he says falls in love with her. (book cross-promotion and marketing deals speed the love process!). Ya know, these folks just have no shame. Making people think that PRO
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Great find! Yes, it appears the young girls were being poison gassed into having hallucinations, euphoria and other narcotic effects while being confined to a prison and forced to come up with "prophecies" which were vague statements which could be taken any way you choose to interpret them. So Elizabeth Selden remembers that happening to her in a former life? Also in primitive time
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Its interesting if one looks at some of the negative Amazon reviews for that book... Trance: Formation of America There seems to be a type of Manchurian Candidate concept put forth, etc. The author of the book appears to possibly be a disturbed individual, or maybe its a cash-grab for the Occult-Satanism crowd?? regardless, it does drive home the point that there are thousands of ut
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Hey HJ, I don't think people are calling Tony Robbins "evil", but just stating the fact that he is extremely deceptive, manipulative, and probably has Narcissistic Personality Disorder and perhaps Bipolar, and people with NPD can cause a lot of damage in other people, as they are only concerned with themselves. When you saw people looking at Tony Robbins like he was a "god&
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Quoteebicidic You have been told the $1000 figure is wrong yet you continue to lie about it. I refuse to be manipulated by you and your business model. My reasoning is definitely good enough to spot your manipulation. Its interesting that "ebicidic" has the poor judgement to accuse me of lying about a simple fact that is easy to verify, which I will do below in this post. It makes
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What Robbins is doing here with the YES YES YES, is creating an "anchor" inside your brain to Tony Robbins. If you "play along" 100% with Robbins, then you are going to go into a hypomanic state at some point, and then Tony will permanently get linked deep inside your brain, along with the Peak Experience of the seminar. He bombards the audience in so many ways, as different
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