Espiritu, thanks for the info. Royal Way is charging people large amounts of money, so people have a right to know what they are being sold. Informed consumers of anything have a right to know what is going to happen to them. But this is the exact reason why Royal Way keeps things so incredibly secretive, as that is part of their persuasion strategy. One general point I might make, is tha
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what I find interesting here, is that what they are talking about, NLP based conversational hypnotic persuasion, is done by many people. People like Byron Katie, and many others, use aspects of it. And high-powered people in that field have been hired by advertisers, and persuaders of many sorts. You can see aspects of it in some advertising. So it does make sense that every political campai
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Solea, anyone involved in a LGAT in the past can relate. They might think back to sitting in the front row of the audience, in rapt attention, thinking the LGAT speaker was the most brilliant person on earth. Only years later does one start to really figure out what was going on. Maybe the best way to deal with the "energy" and "shakti" ideas is to investigate them persona
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hey, also, with deep trance hypnosis, you can have even much more powerful experiences than that! You can have full Hallucinations, both negative and positive. A negative hallucination is when you literally CANNOT see something right in front of you. Or you can "talk" to dead people, Abe Lincoln, ghosts, etc. Its Active Imagination. (I personally think its one's own brain wh
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Some interesting points coming out from our new surprise guest CultCity. - doing The Work worksheets, does lead to the 9 Day programs, that is how it is set up. They suck people deeper and deeper into it. The self-blame created by The Work magnifies depression, that is very clear. Its a bottomless pit. The idea that The Work is free, is false. That has been shown in great detail. Just because
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yes, that is basic self-hypnosis, which makes you more Suggestible. Using a candle to stare at, is a very common method.
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In the banned Byron Katie book...Losing The Moon...(very important book, which is why it was shredded)... ...there are links between Byron Katie and a Guru in Germany named Isaac Shapiro. Byron Katie: "Isaac Shapiro - He is my friend, I am his." One has to wonder if his organization is involved with the Byron Katie LGAT seminar tour in GErmany and Europe? Isaac Shapiro...one w
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There are some inaccurate and even dishonest statements being made in the RandomStu drive-by posting above. It reminds one of what can be read on some Siddha Yoga websites...of the subset of ex-SYDA people who basically say..."I got mine, so screw you". (the self-centeredness of some folks in the allleged spiritual community is stunning) That sounds like Werner Erhard. The fact tha
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also, it would be wonderful if only using gentle and loving language was enough to deal with this material. Sadly it isn't. So its great to use gentle and loving language when possible. On the other hand, it does appear that using blunt, realistic and harsh language at times is the best way to cut through the mountain of horseshit. Otherwise, one can get lost in the mountain of horses
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This poster is either not being honest, or is perhaps dangerously naive. (notice how they took the one word "make" and ignored the words about "Influence", to distract. On the most banal level, salespeople have dozens of techniques to Influence your beliefs to buy their products. Dozens of books on that subject. Advanced Salespeople are much better, and literally do as
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as far as I know he didn't write any books, per se. He wrote a ton of academic papers, which are contained in various places, mostly in a series of books by Ernest Rossi. Try this book, its very accessible. My Voice Will Go With You (The Teaching Tales of Milton H.Erickscon) by Sidney Rosen. or.. TRANCE-formations by Richard Bandler and John Grinder. Try a general word search at
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Something about this smells funny. They were mocking her at the other website about the "tiny ashram" and the rest of it? If she was honest, she would just tell the truth about the fucking ashram, and not play mind games with it. But there are other links there, that might lead to it? Clearly, the codeword is LONG-TERM STUDENTS. LOOOONNGGGG...Lifers. The image of the top of t
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of course, the other interesting thing about Byron Katie is since she "plays dumb" like she is a Savant, then she always has a plausible deniability. What is doubly amazing, is even on her CD's, she talks about being a CEO and how she hires and fires and manages people. (her message: screw with BK and she will fire your sorry ass quick). At the same time she is giving her s
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"csp" would have been banished, shunned, uninvited from a Eckhart Tolle Group long ago. In those groups, you follow Tolle's "format", so he can "reformat" your brain. - 20 minutes of silence, puts you into a very Deep Hypnotic Trance. - then you watch Eckhart Tolle on the bigscreen TV for 90 minutes, and that goes very deep, as you are in a Trance. - then
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Anyone who has studied NLP can instantly see that Byron Katie is doing a lot of NLP and hypnotic techniques, in her own style. But what will blow your mind if you look into her, is that she is one of the most deceptive liars ever to come out of the NLP field, and that is saying a lot. Byron Katie denies knowing anything about NLP, and says she became Enlightened by magic one-day in a half-way h
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Hi Sparky, yeah I should be more careful in my terminology. "Trance" is a technical term in Ericksonian Hypnosis and NLP, which has a very different meaning than the word we use in common speech. (Trance basically means 'inward focussed attention' in that field). Its better to use the term Hypnosis and post-hypnotic suggestions. But the Suggestions implanted during the wa
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The Trance that Byron Katie can put people into can last for a number of years, it really is very powerful. She puts you into a deep trance, and programs in what she want,s and that is what you see and believe. She literally reengineers your deepest beliefs. You even start to robotically mirror and parrot their language patterns.
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Actually, I read the text about LSD before and posted it, where Tolle said he took LSD, and how it was similar, yet also different. So what? LSD trips are always different, some good, some bad. Its a dangerous drug. But what Eckhart Tolle is describing is a basic Trance state, known by various names including hypnosis. Most people can experience these Trance states quite easily, and even hav
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Actually, I read the text about LSD before and posted it, where Tolle said he took LSD, and how it was similar, yet also different. So what? LSD trips are always different, some good, some bad. Its a dangerous drug. But what Eckhart Tolle is describing is a basic Trance state, known by various names including hypnosis. Most people can experience these Trance states quite easily, and even hav
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Eckhart Tolle did admit to taking LSD, and he said it was SIMILAR to how he allegedly experiences the world, but not as good. (again no proof, just claims without proof). Some people are highly imaginative, and can easily go into deep hypnotic Trance states, and you can imagine anything you want. Its called Imagination and Visualization. Not that profound. You do it every night...its called d
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another ludicrous thing about Eckhart Tolle, is he, and his people, say that he is not running a New Age religion, or any type of personality cult. Well, that is factually FALSE on both counts. Eckhart Tolle is literally running a personality cult around himself and his writings and products, as well as running a highly organized distributed, decentralized type of New Age "church"
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another ludicrous thing about Eckhart Tolle, is he, and his people, say that he is not running a New Age religion, or any type of personality cult. Well, that is factually FALSE on both counts. Eckhart Tolle is literally running a personality cult around himself and his writings and products, as well as running a highly organized distributed, decentralized type of New Age "church"
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I made a post about Eckhart Tolle Hypnotist. That is actually very revealing about Eckhart Tolle. It appears Tolle planned and created the oversold ticket and seating problems on purpose, to trigger emotions in people, and then use that against them to make them feel NEW AGER GUILT about not being enlightened like Tolle says he is. (meanwhile Tolle is quickly escorted in and out in a pri
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That is actually very revealing about Eckhart Tolle. It appears Tolle planned and created the oversold ticket and seating problems on purpose, to trigger emotions in people, and then use that against them to make them feel NEW AGER GUILT about not being enlightened like Tolle says he is. (meanwhile Tolle is quickly escorted in and out in a private limo, and does not have any contact with the m
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hey, that article was good. I agree with most of it...too bad he didn't spend more time showing how each of those early New Thoughters were Snake-Oil people...from what I can see, all of them were. Mary Baker Eddy was like an anal-fascist Byron Katie high on Jesus. They lost me at the Rosicrucian thing, but I guess that website is about that topic? My view is she put that in The Secret to
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It just occurred to me how all this stuff ties together. Its basically all just a form of hypnotic and Trance autosuggestion. The primary thing all these things are, is the Conformation Bias. We remember things that seem to work, and forget those that don't. but in addition, New Thought is basically pure self-hypnosis, or autosuggestion, or Autogenic training, etc. Its putting
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I'm not attacking Guruphiliac personally...I think its terrific he criticizes all of these Sri Sri Rama-lama Ding-Dong fraud Gurus. That's good. And its good he criticizes Eckhart Tolle, as the media has given Eckhart Tolle a free pass. But Byron Katie actually appears to be far worse than Eckhart Tolle, in terms of her methods and organization. Why is he so harsh on Tolle and so
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I'll just toss out a couple more general ideas too... I think people analyzing their own personalities is very good. For example, if you find you are "suggestible" in terms of hypnosis, then you have to be VERY careful. Whereas some people are like rocks and can't be "hypnotized" in the normal sense of the word. Or maybe a person is "too nice" or &qu
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I forgot to mention a couple of things from the book,"Loving What Is" by Byron Katie. She also does some diabolical "preframes" about her alleged "transcripts". Byron Katie says some parts of her in the transcripts might appear... COLD, UNCARING, UNLOVING and UNKIND, and she tells you to ignore that, its for their own good. See what she is doing there? Sh
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Going through the book, Loving What Is: Four Questions That Can Change Your Life, by Byron Katie (Author), Stephen Mitchell (Author) Its very unfortunate people seem to be quite easily taken in by systems like this. The book begins with Stephen Mitchell repeating the "Story" from 1986. Why is Mitchell telling this Story? Was he there? Can he verify what happened? Why are no fact
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