Hello everyone--been a little while and I have now caught up on reading. There is a lot of food for thought here---to the point that I am really astounded at how far reaching this LW disease is. I will weigh in more later because I am in the middle of s**t.

But I have a question for Changedagain. As of the 23rd of this month there are 274,443 page views--that seems like quite an increase just this month--if memory serves.

So what was the tally beginning January 1? And what was the tally as of October 21,2015? I would be interested in knowing just how much of an increase there was as it seems I recall that it is quite substantial. Can you figure those things out and post? Not that I care about those kinds of things....LOL.



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Hi Cloudwatcher,
I haven't been tracking it too closely (date to date). But my impression, as well as yours, is that there has been a significant uptick this month. Perhaps it is the specific subjects we have been discussing--not sure.

6,438,799 people at Trump's inauguration...
Don't question this stat. It comes from an extremely credible source.

Cloudwatcher Wrote:
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>
> But I have a question for Changedagain. As of the
> 23rd of this month there are 274,443 page
> views--that seems like quite an increase just this
> month--if memory serves.
>
> So what was the tally beginning January 1? And
> what was the tally as of October 21,2015? I would
> be interested in knowing just how much of an
> increase there was as it seems I recall that it is
> quite substantial. Can you figure those things
> out and post? Not that I care about those kinds
> of things....LOL.


Shhhh. Don't encourage him!


changedagain, when you're done with your stats would you ask Gary when he is going to declare Donald Trump to be a Nephilim?

PS: This post script is only to be read by Cloudwatcher. Why the heck would you encourage him? lol

I just finished watching this seasons last episode of A&E's investigation into Scientology (taped it). Steven Hassan (he wrote Combating Cult Mind Control) was interviewed. It was my favorite episode and recommend anyone questioning the validity of mind control go to the A&E webpage and watch.

This is from Brain & Thought Control in Scientology. Estabrooks describes what he calls the "sincere dictator":


The dictator may be, generally is, a man of great personal courage. He plays along grimly till the last throw of the dice and meets his fate with his chin up. This may be because he is perfectly sincere. This sounds like a strange contradiction, but we must accept it. The dictator really believes that he is God's chosen instrument -- or society's chosen instrument, if he does not believe in God -- to lead his group, or possibly the entire world, into the promised land. The resulting picture is not pleasant and the individual who creates that picture is easily the most dangerous of all the mentally maladjusted. He has intelligence, conviction, drive, courage, and will be utterly unscrupulous -- a combination which calls for serious concern.

That last episode is really excellent. Steve Hassen talks about the similarities between Scientology and other cults. For example:

1. A secret doctrine that new people are not exposed to until fully ensconced into the cult.

2. Submitting major life decisions to the cult.

3. Shunning of people that leave the group.

Note: The Living Word does all three of these things. They do it today and they have done this even back in the JRS days.

puddington Wrote:

> 1. A secret doctrine that new people are not
> exposed to until fully ensconced into the cult.
>
> 2. Submitting major life decisions to the cult.
>
> 3. Shunning of people that leave the group.
>
> Note: The Living Word does all three of these
> things. They do it today and they have done this
> even back in the JRS days.

So true. I remember how controversial it was for me to make a decision-without the aid of shepherds-- to take care of my father (biological) during what became
the last year of his life. There was an aspect of me that actually felt I was sinning by taking care of my flesh and blood.

Cloudwatcher,

> As of the
> 23rd of this month there are 274,443 page
> views--that seems like quite an increase just this
> month--if memory serves.

275,322 as of today. I get these info after posting a comment...it takes me the page showing activity.
The weird thing is...I'm not the least bit interested in stats. I think I have mentioned that before.

"I get these info"

these info? Come on, CA, read your comment before posting. Also, up your caffeine intake!

changedagain Wrote:
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> TheJewel Wrote:
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> > Try this one:
> >
> [www.reflectionsfromthewall.net]
>
> > 6/8/24680235/jrs_the_walk.doc
> >
> > It just worked for me.
>
>
> Thanks, Jewel.
> Here is an excerpt (pg 34-35) regarding the mine
> debacle. Is this account accurate? Partially
> accurate? Completely bogus?? Certainly some people
> in this forum have first-hand knowledge. I came
> into the walk shortly after this went down.
>
> "Holder, however, did not settle down into a
> normal Christian life at Grace Chapel. Until 1971,
> he was still wheeling and dealing all over North
> America, constantly getting in touch with Stevens
> to get permission to enter into another
> enterprise. It is not clear how many of these
> enterprises were funded by members of the Walk,
> but one thing is clear: by 1973, over one million
> dollars had been funneled to Holder and
> disappeared without any profit or material return.
> How could this be?
> In 1971, John Robert Stevens' son-in-law was
> admitted into the practice of law. The same year
> Holder, Stevens, Steven's daughter, and Richard
> Helphand (Stevens' son-in-law) formed Western Ore
> Reduction Corporation in Carson City, Nevada.
> Holder was the president; Helphand was the
> vice-president; Helphand's wife (Stevens'
> daughter) was the treasurer; and Stevens (keeping
> his usual low profile) was on the board of
> directors. From this moment on the burden of the
> mine was shifted from being mainly borne by Holder
> to everyone in the Walk. It takes no genius to
> make the connection between this burden and the
> fact that Stevens and his family had a lot to
> profit by the union of free enterprise with church
> financial support. All that was needed to gain the
> support of the congregation was the right bait.
> John Robert wasted no time in baiting his hook.
>
> The Hook
> The hook (or bait) needed was given in a series of
> prophecies and ministries as well as two or three
> slickly presented pamphlets issued by Western Ore.
> According to, "To Take the Kingdom," concurrent
> with Holder's 1953 vision, prophecies were being
> made in Grace Chapel that indicated that God was
> going "to bring great wealth to His people so that
> the Apostolic Company could carry the gospel of
> the Kingdom to the 'ends of the earth.'[. "To Take
> the Kingdom" (Sepulveda, CA: Western Ore Reduction
> Corporation, no date), p. 9.] This piece of
> propaganda gives a history of world economics,
> placing Holder's mine within a salvation-history
> framework. Thus, the members could plainly see
> that the "Kingdom Mine" was part of God's divine
> plan for the End Time:
> Kingdom Mine is located about 75 miles northeast
> of Los Vegas, just off Salt Lake Highway. In
> addition to being one of the richest gold deposits
> in the world, it has some of the world's best
> farming soil . . . . .Before long, Kingdom Mine
> will be Kingdom City. It will have all the
> facilities to be completely self-sufficient . . .
> . If we are to avoid the "mark of the beast" and
> still survive to do God's will we must be
> completely self-sufficient.
> However, even more than just a means of financial
> support, this mine is intended in the perfect will
> of the Lord, to be instrumental in bringing the
> downfall of Satan's control over the monetary
> systems of the world. This will be the first time
> since the Garden of Eden that key resources have
> been part of the Kingdom . . . .Yet with all this,
> there is still the confirmed word of the Lord that
> the Kingdom Mine is in His perfect will; that He
> has spoken and ordained that it should come forth
> now. This seemed to be a stalemate until the Lord
> began to reveal that He would do it through His
> own people . . . .
> What it boils down to is this: the Kingdom Mine is
> just like any other ministry: its lifeblood
> depends completely upon the sustained faith,
> prayers and support of the entire Body. Just as
> with the printing ministry, the tapes, the video
> ministry, the buildings, the camps, the Apostolic
> Company, or whatever, it is the continued
> sacrifice of the saints that brings it forth. What
> is needed right now, in addition to constant
> intercession, is the money and equipment to put
> the pilot plant into operation."


Sorry for the delayed reply. I did two tours as a participant in TLW the first from 1969 to 1973, the second from 1976 to 1980. As a result I missed the mine adventure and was gone by the time the Gary and Marylin show started. However, from what I do know (or heard during my second stint) that account appears reasonable. I was friends with the Halla's (I think that is right) in the early 70's (went to meetings at their home in Bay Park) and I know that they lost a boat load of money in that thing becoming very bitter as a result.

I was at Coniah mostly so most of my perspective comes from that. R. D. Cronquist was quite a space case, IMO. I never got to know JRS.