lily rose – Mind control, or the more politically correct term – undue influence, starts with the relinquishing of our critical thinking to someone who we believe is more intelligent than we are, or in the case of religion, more spiritual with a direct hotline to God. The technique is the same in politics or religion. The leader deceives their followers into believing that they have a unique calling that will protect the obedient against a coming calamity by using fear. The next step is to isolate the follower’s sources of information so that it only confirms what the leader is telling them. (See FOX News or MSNBC :)) Next, they isolate them from having relationships with others outside the group who could give them a more balanced viewpoint, as well as point out the flaws of the leader. Immediate family members are replaced by the group e.g. mom, dad, brothers and sisters.

Some, like in the case of TLWF, try to get their followers into a suggestive state where they can bypass the conscious mind altogether, and program their thought process so that they will believe what they normally would not. You can see where this has taken place by the emotional outbursts over things that people have not even really thought about – they are just programmed to have an unconscious aversion. In politics you mindlessly hate the other side of the aisle, and in religion, you are God’s special group and everyone else is controlled by Satan. However, the only ones that seem to benefit by being so special are the leaders – everyone else suffers. Can you even imagine praying for Martha’s death now? It is so totally bizarre outside TLWF – not to mention it does not even remotely line up with what Jesus taught.

The worship of TLWF is nothing more than being put in a suggestive state and calling it the spirit realm. Real worship is what you do practically with your life after you leave a church service. It’s not an altered state of consciousness where you think you have special powers that those on a lower level do not have. It’s all imaginary. Singing to God that you love Him, and then prophesying someone’s death is not worship - no matter how high of a level you think you are on. How many in TLWF think they are controlling world financial markets with their “prophetic word” and they can’t even handle their own personal finances. At least now they are allowed to go to college, get a decent job, and buy a house – it wasn’t always that way with John’s vision of the kingdom dawning in 1979 right around the corner. Now they are rewriting history and pretending it never happened. The fantasy world has not panned out as planned and they are having to do what the rest of the world with any common sense was already doing – and calling it a new revelation.

kBOY Wrote:
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> HEADBANGER NEWS: From Womb to Tomb
>
> "Dedicated To Raising Our Children For God"
> September 3, 2016
>
> [www.churchofthelivingwordniteroi.org]
> 9/dedicated-raising-children-god/
>
> "Parents should not project their personal dreams
> of fulfillment upon their children." (As in
> being brainwashed by TLW ideology?)
>
> "Instead, it is important to lead each child into
> its destiny in God." (Indoctrinate them
> into TLW ideology.)
>
> "A parent’s true success is having their child
> walk with God." (Become life-long tithing
> members of TLW.)


Remember the game kids used to play "whatever they say do the opposite"?

That is good advice for anyone encountering the mind control of LW.

larry bobo Wrote:
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> I just finished my 5th book on mind control in the
> last several months and each one reveals a little
> more how these techniques were used in TLWF. As
> lily rose pointed out, it may be more suitable to
> use the term undue influence instead of brain
> washing or mind control. The reason is that it
> will help get around the defense mechanisms that
> have been programmed into our thinking to keep us
> from thinking clearly about certain scenarios. I
> think you could go to your favorite drinking
> establishment and gain insight, even from the
> inebriated, on the many reasons why obeying your
> spiritual leader will NOT help you escape death.
> Most would start laughing – and for good reason.
> Yet we were programmed to think that it could.
> That’s mind control – and it has not just
> happened to the other guy. I could argue the
> point scripturally, but it’s not the scriptures
> that are the source of this belief – it’s
> programming to think a certain way in spite of all
> logic. Being a zero with the rim rubbed out is
> not the kingdom – unless you have evil
> intentions.
>
> It’s much easier to see where there has been
> undue influence by other cult leaders than where
> it is taking place in your own group. It takes a
> while before you start to realize that the
> followers in other groups are just as educated and
> genuinely loving people as those in TLWF. Cult
> leaders all claim to have some special insight or
> position that will protect their followers from a
> coming imaginary disaster. We spent years in the
> 70’s and 80’s preparing for worldwide
> upheaval, and when nothing happened, it was all
> swept under the rug. That was false prophesy, and
> yet the undue influence would not even allow us to
> see it – much less demand some sort of
> accountability. In the Old Testament, you got one
> miss and they rocked you to sleep.
>
> It’s easy to see what is wrong with the many
> dates the Jehovah’s Witnesses have missed on the
> dawning of the kingdom, and then be totally blind
> to John’s error when 1979 came and went. If
> anything, people dug in their heels further and
> John went from being an apostle to Christ in the
> flesh. Even he said, “If they carry me out feet
> first, this was not a word from God” – he was
> so sure he was hearing correctly whoever it was
> that he was channeling. Even if John were to
> think it was not a word from God if it didn’t
> work – we did. That’s mind control – or
> revelation as TLWF calls it - and the facts become
> no longer relevant.

Larry can you give us a book list? I never emailed you back. I did get it but all hell broke loose--and then my computer died. Sorry about that. I would like a book list of books you feel are the best explanation for our experience. I have Toxic Faith==I read the Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse. Will read toxic soon.

This is good stuff on mind control I think that this knowledge should be put to good use as far as the necessity for public awareness. It is hard to believe this travesty would happen in a church--Scientology at least does not pervert the bible.

How about a facebook page for posting this information and invite people to talk about it? Maybe it is dumb but I know people do not understand this and they need to whether the experience it or not--it will possibly affect someone in their families.

This is a growing phenomenon. and people need to protect their children and teach them self efficacy early on. and all that independent spirit bullshit. Hey, if God wanted people joined at the hip they would have been created that way--he loves individual expression. He created it.

HEADBANGER NEWS: God Is STILL Pissed!

"His Spirit Will Free Us From Consequences"
September 18, 2016

[www.garyandmarilynhargrave.com]

"History and the Scriptures show us that God was angry . . . the same is true for us today." (That depends upon which God one subscribes to.)

"We have forgiveness through Christ, but our bodies are still dying as a consequence of sin." (That would be because of a lack of forgiveness for others.)

"It angers God (so say you) when we refuse the perfect provision He has made for us."

"However, the Scriptures also teach us that a day will come when His anger is abated (if you believe you have pissed Him off--please keep your guilt to yourself)."

". . . He will put a new spirit and heart in His people so they can walk with Him." (Speak for yourself.)

"This is what we should seek . . . (to) trigger the outpouring of God's Spirit on all flesh." (An effort that has proven so successful during all the years of TLW.)

The one that is perpetually angry is Gary, who is still managing to dupe people into believing he channels God. The rank and file in the fellowship, subjected to his relentless, guilt-laden messages, have suffered far too long. It is my hope that their minds/hearts will be freed from his sadistic ministry...and they will know what it is to breathe again. Maybe even have some fun, without worrying whether it is pissing off the "father"...who clearly has internal issues that he needs to deal with.
Amen!


kBOY Wrote:
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> HEADBANGER NEWS: God Is STILL Pissed!

> "It angers God (so say you) when we
> refuse the perfect provision He has made for us."
>
> "However, the Scriptures also teach us that a day
> will come when His anger is abated (if you
> believe you have pissed Him off--please keep your
> guilt to yourself)."

Cloudwatcher Wrote:

> This is a growing phenomenon. and people need to
> protect their children and teach them self
> efficacy early on. and all that independent spirit
> bullshit. Hey, if God wanted people joined at the
> hip they would have been created that way--he
> loves individual expression. He created it.

Yes

CHANGEDAGAIN:

It is not GOD who has any issues, but those who project THEIR issues onto GOD.

Remember, GOD is a party-animal. (Prodigal Parable)



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Concerning the Prodigal Parable party loving, freedom loving, individual expression loving and Creator of “Self-governing Creations” ------ The True Nature of the Father:

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Found this on Wikipedia: [[The philosopher Soren Kierkegaard claimed that divine omnipotence cannot be separated from divine goodness. As a truly omnipotent and good being, God could create beings with true freedom over God. Furthermore, God would voluntarily do so because "The greatest good... which can be done for a being, greater than anything else that one can do for it, is to be truly free."]]

Pretty good reasoning to change some ratios:

What’s the ratio? A million submission/rebellion/cross/give up control sermons to please an exacting God for every one sermon that gives Divine permission to each individual to govern themselves as they please. That’s mind control right from the pulpit.

“Self-governing Creations of God.” ---- Time to stop trying to cross out what we are and start appreciating the greatness of what we are.

FCSLC:

“'Self-governing Creations of God.'” ---- Time to stop trying to cross out what we are and start appreciating the greatness of what we are."

This moment is the result of choices we made, not choices made for us. Our state of mind dictates the state of our experience. The ball has always been in our court.