Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: buddy ()
Date: May 26, 2009 11:43AM

TPWOC Home web site click Media then click the bulletin(video) made on 5-23-2009 summer in the park. It is 7min 31sec. Kind of spooky at times! They are really trying to push false word faith prosperity teacher Casey Treat(the helicopter guy)! Sounds like their trying to make him look like a sheep when in reality he is a Wolf! Mike likes to use the word prosper again in the video and Cyndi Villamor wants her 2minutes of fame next to Casey Treat! Then we have Market Place Ministry get rich seminars (Power to produce Wealth) and the guy whose favorite word is prosper with Great Faith Pastor Mike Villamor speaking at the next event! The leader in the video of Market Place Ministry is also a Wolf in sheeps clothing! TPWOC does a nice job on there slick I want to promote a (cultic) church bulletin that the average new person does not have a clue what kind of church TPWOC is becoming and is! Everything seems so nice and pleasant in the direction (vision) TPWOC is going! Maybe that is why TPWOC is going to train people on how to be counselers because after Pastor Mike Villamor gets done with you, you will need one!



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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: Jael ()
Date: May 28, 2009 12:44AM

Thanks Mville04 for the reminder that TPWOC is on a mission to take control of every avenue of Marysville, not just our children, our city government, and businesses. I recall years ago Mike's vision was to take Marysville from its unsaved, ungodly state it is in to be totally a Godly city that would be a light to the nation. This vision came to Mike from a pastor from Africa who prayed for his ungodly, witchcraft run city to be reversed. It seems that city was turned from something like 3% christian to 70+/- %.

Not that this is a wrong or misplaced ambition to pray for our cities/government. I truly believe with all of my heart we do need to pray for our cities/government. The prayers need to be that God is in the fore front of their decisions and we (the people in power) are following God, not being or creating little gods.

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
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Date: May 28, 2009 01:28AM

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: Forgiveness_101 ()
Date: May 28, 2009 03:40AM

Hello once again people of the forum

I have just had a friend drop by from the military and him and i talked from quite some time about life and about my experience at TPC, he then proceeded to tell me that he had a similar experience when he went there.

He told me that they do have the appearance and expectation of perfection, he then shared two things with me that he had never told anybody, because he said he knew not only would he be judged but would he be looked down upon, that what happened would change there thoughts of who he was... This is a common trait/feeling that people experience at TPC.

I also talked to another person whom went to TPC, for about 3 months one of my friends who did not get sucked in, he said this "yeah it always seemed like they pressured you to worship the way they wanted you too" he said he did not like this, and which i think is understandable. Ironically they will never look at this and realize that they are wrong and need to repent, but for all you considering going to TPC, or leaving or even staying. Note this, many people have been hurt, and they have not done a darn thing to work it out, although many of us have gone to them and have come back with nothing but more questions, as the mis-interpret scripture, spiritually manipulate, and control a conversation, you will soon realize that God has safer places for you to be...

With all love and concern for God's people to be rescued

Kyle Conner Frazier

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: LearningPoint ()
Date: May 28, 2009 05:26AM

I know this was posted a while back, but it's so good! It mirrors many of our own testimonies. Just in case you haven't had a chance to read it (because it is so long), copy and paste it into a Word file and read it when you have time. It's worth the effort!

Thanks, WonderingNow, for including this!!

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This is long -- but this is good! This is happening at Turning Point!

Can Christians be Deceived?

Most Christians glibly think we can never be deceived. God will be faithful. He will take care of us when the time comes. He will show us before it is too late. Is this really true or just wishful thinking? Christians are deceived all the time. And this deception will be the most clever, veiled, subtle and attractive deceptions of all time. When someone is deceived, they are tricked. A magician tricks your eye and you are deceived. Do we think the great deception of the last days will be obvious? Satan won’t use something evil to trap us. In fact, by definition, it has to appear so “good” that we are fooled. We see one thing and something else is happening behind the scenes (just like the magician). That is why we are foolish if we take this whole last days “talk” lightly. We had better keep our eyes open and be diligent with the Lord because it won’t be that easy to detect. I can’t tell you how many Christians blithely tell me how the Lord will show them when the time comes. He may, but if you aren’t listening to Him today, what makes you think you will hear Him tomorrow?

You think you can’t be deceived? Look at the millions of Christians in cults. The average Mormon or Jehovah’s Witness comes from a traditional Christian background. I know some personally and there is no doubt they are saved. Yet, they are deceived. Look at how many dear saints innocently attend Word-Faith churches, Vineyards and thousands of other errant movements. Again, read the books by Hunt, Hannegraf and others.

These churches appear to be solid evangelical churches. I have personally attended Word-Faith churches (not just once but for several years), latter rain churches (for several years) and Vineyards. I know that most of the people are born again Christians who really love the Lord. In a “latter rain” church in Connecticut, it was very good 99 percent of the time, but there were very notable exceptions. One Sunday morning the pastor gave a message on Joel’s Army (Joel, Chapter 2) which was a blatant manifest sons of God message and then proceeded to pass out a prophecy by John and Paula Sanford who have strong “New Age” leanings and promote visualization techniques. Later, he promoted a book by Benny Hinn, another Word-Faith advocate. If you don’t know what is wrong with this, you had better do some reading. I told the pastor that to promote a person such as Hinn from the pulpit is an endorsement of Hinn and his ministry. He agreed and that was the last time I went. At the same time, he refused to read Dave Hunt’s books because “it was too negative."

The fact is, many Christians are deceived and have fallen away from sound doctrine and are involved in “unbiblical” practices. The examples are almost too numerous to mention - such as the practice of being “slain in the Spirit”, promoting “words of prophecy as if they were the “word” of God, visualization, healing of memories and many more. A good friend of mine went to a conference and a brother began prophesying over him, telling him things that a normal person would never have known about him. He was so impressed with this “word” but later it turned out that this prophet was a homosexual and a pedophile. So where does some of this prophetic information come from? God or evil spirits? Christians are attending churches such as Word-Faith churches that hold to heretical doctrines and practices. Christians are being lured into social and political action that is a waste of time for anyone whose citizenship is in heaven.

As I mentioned above, I have been intimately involved in Churches (Word-Faith, Vineyard and Latter Rain) that today I would easily recognize as being way off base. But at the time, I saw nothing wrong with them. I trusted the pastors. I enjoyed the worship and the fellowship. I was not negative or looking to find fault. If I had stayed, I may have gradually been swayed to follow their doctrines and practices. But the Lord led me out and opened my eyes. However, I was the exception. I would imagine that most are still there and being drawn further into deception. If Christians can’t guard themselves from deception today, how do they expect to do it in the future when the greatest deception of all time is upon us? So let’s get rid of the myth Christians can’t be deceived. It happens all the time. In fact, most Christians today are snared by the market-driven “mega churches.”

Deception takes place over a life time. That is why the mark of the beast is in two places: on the forehead and on the hand. In addition to being literal, this may refer to what we think and what we do. If our mind is not renewed by the Lord, but filled with the things of the world, you cannot erase a life time of bad programming. Let’s just take one example. Kids today spend three or four hours a day studying in school and then another ten hours watching TV. Not that I am totally against TV, but families today walk in the door and turn on the tube and our mental programming begins. The things that are common on TV today would have been absolutely unheard of twenty or thirty years ago. The morals of the entire world are gradually being changed. We live in a world of stimulation - signals constantly bombarding us through TV, movies, magazines and books, radio, and now, the Internet. Garbage is constantly assaulting our minds, reprogramming us. The things we read, the things we talk about, the way we spend our time - either we are being transformed to the world’s image or the Lord’s. You can’t fake it. Either we are sowing to the spirit or we to the flesh. So many are sure they would make the right choice one day if told they must take the “mark of the beast.” But if they if they haven’t been transformed - had what they think and do changed by the Lord every day year after year, they may be sadly mistaken. Transformation is a life time process sadly missing in the church today. The hand refers to what we do. Is the way we send our time and the things we do under the Lordship of Jesus? Unfortunately, there is little that distinguishes the Christian from the unbeliever in the U.S. today. Only Tribulation will separate the real Christian from the pretender.

Can a Christian “Miss Out”?

Today we talk about God’s unconditional love. We imagine this big benevolent Teddy Bear in the sky who is just dying to hug us because he loves us so unconditionally. Sorry, that just isn’t true. There are conditions. He loves us, true, but it means nothing unless we accept it, believe and obey Him. As Christians our attitude toward the Lord is sometimes cavalier - kind of like an 18 year old who feels like he will live for ever. Salvation depended upon our accepting the free gift, but once saved, we tend to take God for granted. We expect God to bless us, to take care of us and to use us. The thought that we could miss out doesn’t even enter our heads. Yet, I have been around long enough to see plenty of my brothers in Christ - brothers far more gifted than I - fall away from the Lord. I have seen others so used by the Lord when they were young, slip into disuse so that their life today counts for very little when once they were a burning fire.

I have seen best friends fall into sin, and never come back. I have seen the lights in their eyes go out as empty words came out of their mouths. I have seen the most gifted brothers throw their Christian life away for nothing - usually another woman than the wife God gave them. I have seen others fall away. One friend got into psychology and counseling deeper and deeper. He became critical of everyone, even his friends and parents. His problems became everybody’s fault but his. I’ve seen dear brothers divorce and remarry. The second wife would find the Lord, but nothing could get him back. I’ve seen saints sucked into “signs and wonders.” One had a brain tumor. He went on a pilgrimage around the country, to Toronto, Pensacola and back to California trying desperately to find healing.... and died any way. I’ve seen Christians focus on their problems until they were devoured by them. I’ve seen whole churches focus on their problems until devoured by them for without a vision, the people perish.

If you have been around long enough, you have seen Christians grow cold. A real man of God and pastor of a large church in Northern California, who is now with the Lord, was in the first graduating class from Dallas Theological Seminary. He told my friend before he died that of the thirty some original graduates, only three continued on with the Lord over the years. So we think we can’t miss out, but we can. It happens all the time. Have you ever strayed far from the Lord? I have, and it is only His grace that brought me back. I have been a Christian for fifty years and for every one I know that made it back, I have known ten that didn’t. Let’s get real and quit dreaming.

When the servant hid his talents, the Lord didn’t pat him on the head and say that’s okay, don’t worry about it. He threw him into outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. LOOK UP. If God is anything, he is a judge, in fact, THE JUDGE. And he is not going to take any excuses in that day for your miserable, unprofitable life. He is going to call us to account for everything done in this body: what we did with our resources, with the gifts He gave us and with how we spent our time - every hour of every day.

We know that God wants to use every one of us. He has given us His life and spiritual gifts. But another major mistake is to think that God will “one day” use us. Time runs out. Old age and death creep up faster than any of us can imagine. Our kids are grown and gone and we are living on Social Security and we barely have the strength to get out of bed in the morning. The Lord has all the time in the world. We don’t. If we aren’t useful to the Lord today, the chances that we will be in the future are slim. A corollary to assuming we can’t miss out is to think we are indispensable - that God needs me. He really doesn’t. If I don’t praise Him, the rocks will. Who am I? If I don’t respond to the work the Lord has for me, He will raise up someone else to do it. I am a fool if I think I’m indispensable. However, if I humbly volunteer and put legs to my faith, He will use me in spite of my weakness and failings. As Jim Elliott, the famous missionary martyred by Auca Indians in Ecuador, said “What shall it profit a man if he gives up what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose?” The time has come to make that decision and let it work through our lives in very practical ways.

I believe God is speaking to us, the last generation of saints to live on the earth before His return. He is going to need our undivided love, attention and obedience like never before in history. We are an integral part of His great plan and purpose. We are His testimony on the earth. We are living proof that the Creator came down, paid the price for our sin and rebellion, and now indwells and transforms us into a corporate testimony - as the world declares “Behold how they love one another.” Above all, we are to be His witnesses - in our personal lives, in our families and in our Christian communities. God can’t witness for Himself but needs two witnesses to try and judge the world. He needs the corporate testimony of the Church and Israel. But if Christians and Jews continue to harden their hearts to God, will He not judge both? We are dreaming if we think God will apply a lower standard to His physical and spiritual people. Most Jews and so-called Christians are in the world and in unbelief. His righteous nature demands judgment of His people before He can judge the world.

What sense do you get of the times that are approaching when you read Matthew 24? Read it now. It is not just of foreboding because of the horror, but of the glory before us. You and I are being called to the Church’s finest hour. It is time to come out of the closet as Christians, to come out of the world, to warn people, to preach the gospel, to be connected with one another. It is time to forsake all distractions and ask the Lord to purify us and free us from the power of the age. It is time to ask the Lord to open our eyes to prophecy, to our true spiritual condition and the condition of the world and the church. This is an Army you must volunteer for. God is calling you, but if you don’t respond, He will move on to someone else. In Revelation 12:11, he declares of the last days believer that “we overcame by the blood of the lamb, by the word of our testimony and we loved not our lives even unto death.” The “last days” Church will find its glory in martyrdom.

The Lord involved me in this ministry over 30 years ago and called me specifically for this ministry on the road from Hartford, Connecticut to White Plains, New York twelve years ago. I would love to have the time to tell you about it in detail some time. But I can’t begin to tell you what He has had to bring me through since then. I have lost just about everything, but the more I lose, the more I find Him, the more I am stripped down for the battle ahead. I volunteered six years ago, but since then He has really dealt with me harshly to get me to this point. At one time, I had three houses, four cars and a motor home. I made as much in one month as most make in a year. Then God blew on it and “poof” it was gone. Stripped of things, I realize how unimportant they are. And sometimes when I wonder if I can go any lower, sure enough, down I go. But the harder it gets, the more I realize it is much better to suffer the loss of all things now so there is nothing to take away, nothing to mourn for. I am so thankful for all He has brought me through because I am a very hard nut to crack. There was no other way. The Lord can only use broken vessels who fall prostrate at His feet. Brothers and sisters, the vessel is nothing. The treasure is everything. And only the mercy of the Lord brings us through those circumstances we need, tailor made for each one of us.

And if He loved me so, I know He will do the same for you. If ever there was a generation that God will demand the ultimate sacrifice from, it is ours.

Deception and apostasy are the hallmark of the final generation. Don’t be surprised. Don’t be discouraged for your salvation draws near.







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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: buddy ()
Date: May 28, 2009 10:36PM

50,000 views just around the corner, maybe we should have a Forum get together!

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Date: May 29, 2009 06:20AM

In a message not too long ago the apostle mike talks about "they" and "them" in relationship to prosperity theology when he says, "they say 'these guys preach prosperity theology" and they present it like its some secret. It's not something we're hiding". This is a straw man statement. No one on this forum has accused mike and cyndi of 'hiding' their prosperity doctrine. Most on this forum know that it is taught in open.

The issue is, not that it is taught in "hiding" but that it is taught as a doctrine. It is a perversion of Truth. That is the concern many have raised about "prosperity theology".

Mike knows that he can not when the argument on the soundness of this teaching so he tries to turn the argument into one of 'hidden' teachings. Notice how he presents the argument : They are accusing me of hiding this teaching. See how silly and uninformed they are. You all know that we don't hide our teaching on prosperity. We do it openly. These Rick Ross people dont know what they are talking about.


Mike, we know you teach this perverted doctrine in the open. Whether you teach it openly or not, it is still a perversion of God's Word and His Truth. You are making mammon the god of your flock...your own personal god. That is perversion and God hates it when we purposefully distort His Truth for personal gain. You cannot mock God and hope to inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. Jesus said, "In the day of judgment some will stand before me and I will tell them to go to hell. And they will say, "but lord, didn't we prophesy in your name, didnt we cast out demons in your name, didnt we do Jubilee in your name, didn't we start a small bible study group in Canada in your name, didnt we take over a split church in Oregon in your name, didn't we heal a lady with a pin in her leg in the Philippines in your name? " and I will say to them, "Go straight to hell because I never knew you".

Don't you think it is time to repent, ask forgiveness and come into a knowing relationship with Jesus? What will it profit you to gain the whole world but lose your soul?

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: LearningPoint ()
Date: May 29, 2009 07:43AM

Yes, TPR! The misrepresentation of the concerns on the forum in Mike's statement--along with the mocking attitude and the flippant disregard for the errors of the prosperity doctrine--reveal something far worse in Mike's mindset (and his character) than the "gossip" of which he's accusing those posting on the forum. He SHOULD be terrified at the prospect of leading an entire flock down a heretical path--a path he once decried early on in his ministry. Instead, he is giddy and flippant and mocking toward those who still abhor it and are crying out against it.

It still distresses me that Mike is so proud that he won't back down. He MUST know he is wrong somewhere in his soul's quietude. He's GOT to know. But it's a lot to renounce and repent of, and it would mean losing all that he has accumulated. It would mean looking foolish and losing the respect/worship of others. It would mean going back to the STATUS (not necessarily the job) of a pizza delivery guy, something he talked so often about that you would think it was traumatic or something for him to do something so "lowly" as that. (I always wondered if it ever occured to him that his talk about being so humiliated about delivering pizza might be a slap in the face to those who were doing those kinds of jobs.) But for him to give up what he has gained is apparently out of the question. Apparently to gain the whole world and lose his own soul (while leading other souls into falsehood with him) doesn't cause Mike to lose any sleep. What will Mike give in exchange for his soul? It appears he'll give a house in Aspen (upscale housing development where he lives); a World Outreach Center; an Apostleship status conferred by negligible sources of "spiritual authority" (so that he can be THE apostle over Marysville and an ever-widening territory); a new, buff body, compliments of his friendship/partnership with prosperity guru Mr. Ralston; kudos in the community for Summer Jubilee; the appearance of a super spiritual group of graduates from his "school" (SOMA); and what else? . . . . the list goes on.

Well, if he wants to give his own soul in exchange for fame, wealth, and power, he sould go be a new age motivational speaker and leave Jesus out of it (or at least settle for the money and go be the physical therapist in Australia he wanted to be). But why do something that will trip up and/or destroy so many Christ followers along the way? It baffles me. How did Mike get from where he was to where he is now? It's unreal! It's frightening. It's sobering.


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In a message not too long ago the apostle mike talks about "they" and "them" in relationship to prosperity theology when he says, "they say 'these guys preach prosperity theology" and they present it like its some secret. It's not something we're hiding". This is a straw man statement. No one on this forum has accused mike and cyndi of 'hiding' their prosperity doctrine. Most on this forum know that it is taught in open.

The issue is, not that it is taught in "hiding" but that it is taught as a doctrine. It is a perversion of Truth. That is the concern many have raised about "prosperity theology".

Mike knows that he can not when the argument on the soundness of this teaching so he tries to turn the argument into one of 'hidden' teachings. Notice how he presents the argument : They are accusing me of hiding this teaching. See how silly and uninformed they are. You all know that we don't hide our teaching on prosperity. We do it openly. These Rick Ross people dont know what they are talking about.


Mike, we know you teach this perverted doctrine in the open. Whether you teach it openly or not, it is still a perversion of God's Word and His Truth. You are making mammon the god of your flock...your own personal god. That is perversion and God hates it when we purposefully distort His Truth for personal gain. You cannot mock God and hope to inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. Jesus said, "In the day of judgment some will stand before me and I will tell them to go to hell. And they will say, "but lord, didn't we prophesy in your name, didnt we cast out demons in your name, didnt we do Jubilee in your name, didn't we start a small bible study group in Canada in your name, didnt we take over a split church in Oregon in your name, didn't we heal a lady with a pin in her leg in the Philippines in your name? " and I will say to them, "Go straight to hell because I never knew you".

Don't you think it is time to repent, ask forgiveness and come into a knowing relationship with Jesus? What will it profit you to gain the whole world but lose your soul?

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: Mville04 ()
Date: May 29, 2009 10:35AM

Mike;
Go out into the countryside. Find a small, seemingly insugnificant chapel and go inside. Kneel and pray there. Then leave, but before you walk out the door, turn back around and look at the house of God.

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: Mville04 ()
Date: May 29, 2009 06:17PM

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Mike;
Go out into the countryside. Find a small, seemingly insugnificant chapel and go inside. Kneel and pray there. Then leave, but before you walk out the door, turn back around and look at the house of God.

Um; in other words, look at the diference.

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