I received a e-mail from TPWOC word -faith (name it claim), positive confession, prosperity, health and wealth gospel, I want to be on TBN false teacher womens director Valerie Ralston about TPWOC womens get together on this Sat. She says everyone of us have dreams we would like to see come true, but I believe God is saying to us, “I have a dream for you! Would you be willing to make My dream for you come true?!” I want you to know that He has a dream for your life that will exceed your wildest dreams! His dream for you is for good! I want to find myself living right in the middle of God’s dream for my life, and I believe that you do to, so I invite you to come discover the stages of the dream and how to “push through” to see it come to pass in your life. Valerie wants you to positively confess your dream into reality just like God. In fact you can become a little God and speak out your dreams into reality. Just like Bob harrision ( Dr. increase ) speak out your bible verse everyday and your power will produce wealth. Your faith becomes your power source. That is why we see an Increase in the budget at TPWOC because this stuff really works. I mean its worked for Apostle Mike and the prophet Cyndi. Because they have Great Faith and after Casey Treat gets done with us we will all have Great faith. We won't be these little faith creatures preaching the Spirit of poverty and complaining,gossiping and being way too negative. We all are going to become little Gods with Great faith!



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I'm replying to PainfulJourney,

I don't think you get my point. This is not about depression, rejection, bitterness, etc. All this forum stuff, when it comes down to is salvation! how many more of gods children will be lost because of cults? how many more youths are we going to continue to suject them to TPC and they're cultish ways? it's heart breaking. Yes, I give it to God. It's all about HIM. He says in scripture to not "stand idle". What happens in culture is we "stand by" and wait. I just listened to a conference on CD. We "GO" because that's what He wants us to do!

PFJ - that was a great article. I think churches can create that dependent environment without even realizing the result of their actions. I am not suggesting where TPC fits into the picture, just that as leaders it shows how sensitive they need to be to the cause and effect of their own practices.

Thank you

Recently there have been a number of statements regarding the incomes of Mike and Cyndi. While these questions and concerns are valid, the incomes are only symptoms. To allow the focus and attention to gather round and gain steam along the lines of incomes only open folks up to charges of envy and jealousy. The incomes and financial irregularities are symptomatic of the illness that infects the very core of TPc, its head pastors, and its Elders. Greed, absolute power, and corruption point to the condition of the heart. Lets stay focused on the false teachings and perverted doctrines that allow such conditions to exist and thrive.

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Can a church be sued for Spiritual Abuse?

Remember what the bible says: Rom. 12:14-21 (NLT)

14 Bless those who persecute you. Don’t curse them; pray that God will bless them. 15 Be happy with those who are happy, and weep with those who weep. 16 Live in harmony with each other. Don’t be too proud to enjoy the company of ordinary people. And don’t think you know it all!

17 Never pay back evil with more evil. Do things in such a way that everyone can see you are honorable. 18 Do all that you can to live in peace with everyone.

19 Dear friends, never take revenge. Leave that to the righteous anger of God. For the Scriptures say,

“I will take revenge;
I will pay them back,”[g]
says the Lord.

20 Instead,

“If your enemies are hungry, feed them.
If they are thirsty, give them something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap
burning coals of shame on their heads.”[h]

21 Don’t let evil conquer you, but conquer evil by doing good.

Just something to consider in prayer - I know its hard, I am struggling too.

the above scriptures are true provided that they are not taken out of context.

What the liberal moderates in the church are constantly promoting and expexting believers to do is;
"love your enemies by embracing there beliefs."
a lowering of your values and principals,
this is why we have so many false teachers and cults today.

like I have said before look at the churches in Revelations chapters 2 & 3.

BraveHeart

I understand the point you are trying to make, TPR, but I don't entirely agree. The finances at TP are just a small part of the problem, yes. I believe though that the mishandling of funds is the most tangible piece of *evidence* that we have that TP is NOT what she presents herself to be. As has already been pointed out, the false doctrine is controversial, and some people just don't care that it's being taught. Most of the general body is not even aware of the details of the apostolic ministry. The fanancial issues may only be a symptom of the corruption....but they are easy to see, and they are not really disputeable. I think that M & C's incomes are an important part of the whole financial picture.....and certainly *evidence* of their belief that they deserve to be *honored* financially.

Power to Produce Business Intensive
at the School of Ministry Arts Northwest


Join us Wednesday, May 27, 9am-4pm at 1410 8th Street for SOMA NW’s annual business intensive, “Power to Produce.” Speakers include Mike Rovner, Stephen MacDonald, Pastor Mike Villamor, Pastor Cyndi Villamor, and TPC Marketplace Ministry director Ken Ralston. Cost is $75, due by May 27. Self proclaimed Apostle Mike Villamor and false word faith movement(name it claim it),positive confession,prosperity,health and wealth gospel false teacher,I want to be on TBN ,TPWOC Marketplace Ministry director,my body is better there yours, Ken Ralston will be speaking with self proclaimed prophet Cyndi! I believe Great Faith Apostle Mike wants financial increase, streams of income, purpose for( Mike favorite word) prosperity for himself. And the more SOMA students he can brain wash and control the more of there time and money Mike can steal from them. I believe Mike wants TPWOC to be a( false ) prosperity church. So if a 100 people show up at $75.00 thats $7500.00! Pastor Mike wants to drain every nickel from you! And Mike will even go against the WORD of GOD to do it.

these bylaws are available at church office on server. anyone can ask for a copy. i will post the budget info later. of course i have found typos, and they are not updated with new vision of impacter greater puget sound region- hopefully tp elders have updated the bylaws and any changes to bylaws do need to be approved by body. i would say check out qualifications of being an elder. salaries of Mike and Cindy are important considering the economic times we are in and it seems the church. fixed budget cut down to 65k or whatever is easy and the church has already been operating on that, Pastor Jackie's salary was 4880.00 per month Pastor David's salary gone they were only paying half anyways but that was 2081.89 per month and emily's 1000.00 permonth is 8000.00 right there. facilities was over budgeted by 5000.00 per month- so that is 13,000.00 and not hard to cut another 5000.00 since fixed monthly was only 83k or close to that. Tp ought to go back to 3 services in the bldg could easily be done. it is shrinking anyways and the number of attendance is inflated each week because they count duplicates. what to do tp? be up front tell the whole truth and start over.


TURNING POINT CHURCH
World Outreach Center BY-LAWS
Established March 2000


1. VISION STATEMENT
Turning Point Church - World Outreach Center will impact the greater Marysville area by reaching out to the unsaved and nurturing them into fully devoted followers of Christ. This will be accomplished through the fulfilling of our four-fold mission statement and the Commissioning, Licensing, and Ordaining of ministers of the gospel of Christ.

Our Mission: Pursue the Lost
Proclaim Jesus Christ
Produce Disciples
Plant New Churches

Our Belief: In the essentials we have unity. There is one Body, and one Spirit. There is one Lord, One Faith, one Baptism, and one God, Father of us all. Ephesians 4:4-6.
In the non-essentials we have liberty. Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. Whatever you believe about these things, keep between yourself and God. Romans 14:1, 22


2. PRINCIPAL OFFICE
The principal office for the transaction of the business of Turning Point Church - World Outreach Center is fixed and located in Snohomish County in Washington. The Elders may at any time, or from time to time, change the location of the principal office from one location to another in this County, State, or Country.


3. MEMBERSHIP
We believe membership is acquired by salvation, maintained by association and expressed by cooperation. TPC does not have formal membership. However, we encourage each family to be involved in a small group and express their gifts through active involvement in many ministries of the fellowship and recognizing God’s instruction to be a local body of believers. (Eph 2:19-22), (Hebrews 10:25).

3.1 Ratification eligibility:
To be eligible to participate in ratification one must be, (a) sixteen (16) years of age or older; (b) have worshipped regularly with this congregation for a period of six months immediately preceding the meeting at which they wish to participate in ratification; and (c) have lived, for at least six months, in harmony with the standard of God’s word as held by TPC and agree with the mission and vision of TPC.

3.2 Quorum: A quorum for any meeting of the church body shall be 15% of the monthly regular adult morning attendance.

3.3 Annual Meeting: The annual meeting of the members of this church shall be held on a Sunday in August of each year at the morning service at the principal office of the church, or at any other time and at any other place determined by the elders. A written one-week notice will be given by newsletter or announcement in any regularly scheduled service.

3.4 Special Meetings: Special meetings of the membership of the church for any purpose may be called at any time by the senior pastor or by any four elders. A written one week notice of the time and place of the special meeting of the members shall be given whenever possible.

4. ELDERS
The governing body of the church shall be known as the elders. The board of elders shall consist of appointed pastoral staff and laypersons.


Preface

The Apostle Paul instructed the first century and their pastors to appoint ‘elders’, those with certain gifts from God, to “direct the affairs of the church” and provide leadership God ordained for his body (1Tim. 5:17). Paul made a number of statements regarding the qualifications of those who were to be chosen. Some observations about those statements are appropriate.

(a) These qualifications given by the Apostle are principle, governing the selection of leadership. They are guide lines by which the character of each elder must be measured. They are not to be taken lightly. They are very important in helping us determine the kind of persons to look for in the choosing of leadership.

(b) Paul’s remarks and instructions must be interpreted within the context of the culture of his time and place. They are written within the Jewish culture wherein, for example women were forbidden to learn and take part in the synagogue service; and they were written within the Greek culture wherein the rights of women as persons and citizens were not protected by law. These and other cultural aspects and circumstances should not be superimposed on the church today. Paul’s own personal conviction about personhood is that “there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Gal 3:28)


4.1 Qualifications of Elders will be as follows:

1st Timothy and Titus state the church needs leaders who are gifted and equipped by God’s Word and Christian discipline to manage its direction and ministries. Leaders should be:

A. ABOVE REPROACH
(1 Tim 3:2; Titus 1:7) Persons of unquestioned character, whose morals and ethics are not open to attack; having reputations of godly Christian character.



B. HIGH IDEALS OF MARRIAGE
(1 Tim 3:2; Titus 1:6) The person, whether or not married, holds and demonstrates a sacred regard of marriage and the home, and is committed to God’s principles regarding marriage and, if married, is a faithful husband or wife. This does not mean the leader must necessarily be married or have never been divorced.

C. TEMPERATE
(1 Tim 3:2; Titus 1:8) Self controlled, possessing a character which avoids extremes, a balance of mind and spirit.

D. PRUDENT
(1 Tim 3:2; Titus 1:8) Wise, sensible, balanced in judgment; not given to quick and superficial decisions based on immature thinking.

E. HOSPITABLE
(1 Tim 3:2; Titus 1:8) Open to the needs and hurts of others, willing to share their heart and home with others in need.

F. ABLE TO TEACH
(1 Tim 3:2; Titus 1:9) One who teaches by example and by instruction; who communicates beliefs and truths in a manner that encourages Christian commitment.

G. GENTLE
(1 Tim 3:3; Titus 1:7) Not violent or quarrelsome, disinclined to fight. Christians around whom there is constant strife, persons with a history of turmoil, “spiritual bullies”, impatient retaliators and gossips are poor candidates for spiritual leaders of the church.

H. FREE FROM THE LOVE OF MONEY
(1 Tim 3:3; Titus 1:7) One who has solved the “money problems”, who gives evidence of good stewardship of the tithe, of talent and of time that the Bible teaches “is the Lord’s”.

I. MANAGES ONE’S FAMILY WELL
(1 Tim 2:4, 5; Titus 1:6) One whose leadership in the family is worthy of their respect because that leadership shows good management and judgment, for “if one does not know how to manage one’s own family, how can that person take care of God’s church?”

J. NOT SELF-WILLED
(Titus 1:7) One who is not stubborn, who does not demand one’s demand one’s own way or force one’s own opinions on others.

K. DEVOUT
(Titus 1:8) One who is holy and set apart for God’s use.

L. NOT A RECENT CONVERT
(1 Tim 3:6) Persons tested in their faith long enough to demonstrate the reality of their conversion and the depth of their spirituality.

M. SOUND DOCTRINE
(1 Titus 1:9) Encourages others by sound doctrine, and refuses those who oppose it.


4.2 Purpose of Elders:
The purpose of the elders shall be to direct and to coordinate the life and ministries of the church.

(a) To seek continually the will of God for the overall purpose and direction of the church through the study of the Bible, prayer, fasting and the seeking of godly counsel.
(b) Recognize and appoint those called to the office of Deacon as described in scripture.
(c) Be the Board of Directors of the Corporation and the legal trustees of the property of the church as well as oversee:


I. LEGAL. Direct the business and fiscal affairs of the corporation, including all entities which it shall establish and to perform all legal transactions as related to the property. Also to have full charge and control of all real property of the corporation with full power to use, regulate and control the same for the benefit of the corporation as authorized by these By-laws and or the church body.
II. PERSONNEL. With the guidance of the Senior Pastor be responsible to set wages, salaries, benefits and all other compensation for Pastoral/Administrative staff.

(d) Perform related duties as required.



4.3 Selection of Elders: Members of the Board of Elders will be appointed by the existing Board of Elders and then ratified by the church body. (Acts 14:23; Titus 1:5)


4.4 Removal of Elders: When in the aggregate judgment of the members of the Board of Elders, such action is deemed necessary for reason of the blatant defect of character or for such causes, the Board of Elders shall be the authority for the removal of a voting elder. Such removal shall be instated upon the affirmative vote of at least two-thirds of the voting elders.


5. OFFICERS
1. Numbers and Titles
The officers of the church shall be President, Vice President, Secretary, and Treasurer and such other officers as may be designated and appointed from time to time by the Board of Elders.

2. Qualifications, Elections, and terms of office
The Senior Pastor will serve as President by virtue of his or her office. The Vice President, Secretary, and Treasurer shall be elected by the Board of Elders from its members at the first Board of Elders meeting in each calendar year. Such officers shall serve until their successors are elected and installed.


3. Duties of President
President shall preside at all meetings of the Board of Elders. He or she represent the church on all occasions.

4. Duties of President
The Vice President shall act in the place of the President during the latter’s absence and shall perform such other duties as may be imposed by law, or by these by-laws, or as may be prescribed from time to time Board of Elders. He shall preside at all meetings of the members of the church.

5. Duties of Secretary
The secretary shall keep an accurate record of the transactions of all business meetings of the members of this church and of the Board of Elders. They shall also perform such other duties as may be imposed by law, or by these bylaws, or as may be prescribed from time to time by the Board of Elders.

6. Duties of Treasurer
a. Receive and safely keep all money of the church entrusted to their care and shall disperse the same under the direction of the Board of Elders.
b. Render a statement at the annual meeting of members and at such other times as may be requested by the Board of Elders. They shall keep a complete account of the finances of the church books, which shall be and remain the property of the church and open to inspection at any reasonable time by the Board of Elders.


6. RECORDS AND REPORTS
1. Books of Account – The church shall keep and maintain adequate and correct accounts of its properties and business transactions, including accounts of its assets, liabilities, receipts, disbursements, gains and losses.

2. Annual Report and Financial Statement – The Board of Elders will provide for the preparation and submission to the members a written annual report including a financial statement. Such a report shall summarize the churches activities for the preceding year and goals projected for the forth-coming year; the financial statement shall consist of a balance sheet as the close of business of the church fiscal year, contain a summary of receipts and disbursements, be prepared in such a manor and form as is sanctioned by sound accounting practices, and be certified by the President, Secretary, Treasurer, or a CPA.


3. Fiscal Year – The fiscal year of the church shall be from Sept. 1 to August 31.




7. SELECTION, RETENTION, REMOVAL AND RESIGNATION OF SENIOR PASTOR AND STAFF

Selection of Staff: The Board of Elders shall serve as the search committee for the selection of the Senior Pastor; the Board of Elders shall work in cooperation and with guidance of the Senior Pastor in selection of all members of staff and Pastoral Administration.

a. The Board of Elders shall be responsible for securing a person or persons for filling the pulpit for the regular services during the period in which the church is without the services of the staff member.

b. The Board of Elders shall investigate the qualifications of prospective Pastoral/Administrative Staff members, using criteria and procedures which the membership of the Board of Elders deem most appropriate.

c. Upon the affirmative vote of at least 75% of the members of the Board of Elders regarding the call of prospective Pastoral/Administrative Staff member, the Board of Elders shall call a special meeting of the church body and give them a full description of the candidate’s qualifications.

d. The Board of Elders shall present the name of only one prospective Pastoral/Administrative Staff member for consideration and possible call. A 75% majority of members voting shall be necessary to extend the call of the church to a prospective candidate. If less than 75% vote in favor of the prospective candidate, the Board of Elders shall select another prospect using the procedure described above and present that person’s name for consideration at a later special meeting of the church body.


8. AMENDMENT OF THE BY-LAWS

These by-laws may be amended by a vote of 75% of the members present and voting at any annual or special meeting of the church body if all the following criteria are met:

(a) The amendment shall have been approved by the affirmative vote of at least 75% of the voting Elder members.
(b) Such proposed amendment is affirmed by a vote of at least 75% of the voting church body.



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a single reading of the posted bylaws leads me to conclude that there is no real accountability for either Elders or Staff. There is no real means for the body of TPc to hold either accountable as it is the Elders who appoint and remove Elders and staff. Though the body at TPc have ratifying privileges ratification is not binding.

Those of you who attend TPc have no effective means to hold your Elders and Staff accountable. Power is entrusted to few, very few.
The only effective means of vote assured to the body of TPc are their feet and their pocketbooks. Those who knowingly stay and continue to give financially offer tacit support for the actions and behaviors of staff and Elders of TPc.

M. SOUND DOCTRINE
(1 Titus 1:9) Encourages others by sound doctrine, and refuses those who oppose it.
They should all resign over this one! They sure didn't read their bibles to test the false doctrines!