Wherefromhere I am trying to make the leaders look foolish and to bring a little humor onto the forum! I am sorry if I upset you! I hope I don't keep you from the forum! I could take a vacation from the site so you can express yourself! I am sorry everybody for being the Howard Stern of the Forum! Buddy



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Hello Buddy,

Thank you for posting here.

I would ask you to consider if your goal in posting is to discourage others from coming here and sharing their experience at Turning Point.
If you are seeking to discourage others from posting here then, by all means, dont change anything.

However, if you desire to help others as they seek to heal and move forward from the abuse, hurt and pain they've experienced at Turning Point World Outreach Center then I would suggest you change tactics and tone in your posting.

I dont think you need to take a vacation from the forum. I just think you need to reconsider the effectiveness and purpose of your posting. Is it to discredit this forum? Is it to discourage others from posting here? Is it to help bring light to the circumstances at Turning Point? Is it to help provide a safe place for others to find encouragement?

I myself have to step back and consider each of my posts before I hit that "post message" button. I have asked a couple of other posters here to hold me accountable and to let me know if I get carried away or post irresponsibly.

Again, thanks for being a part of this forum.

We could start a differnt thread that it meant for humor and insulting turningpoint, however this thread is titled "tell your story." I agree with your post 100% turningpoint reject.

The main problem at TP is that they are not accountable, and I think we could learn from that. I try to have people read over my posts (usually before send them) to check my heart and see if it will be benificial.

If you don't believe any of us I would challange you to seek out people you respect on this forum and see what they think.


-I have tried to get friends to read some of the posts on hear and they are immediatly turned off by the jokes about there pastor that are on hear.

Turning Point Reject, wherefromhere, Northwest,
If you do not like my husbands posts on this forum there is the avenue of private e-mails to post your concerns. Personally, I was not happy with some of his posts myself. I'm very upset by how you three have chosen to state your concerns. There will be not be any future forum get togethers at our home. If I have any influence on him he will not be posting again, but again I don't run his life. I've had too many bad experiences with churches and this has just set me over the edge. I am so done with Churches. I love the Lord and will continue to worship him, but at this moment in my heart I'm so done with this web site and with Churches. Buddy's wife!



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I'm not here to change somebody's personality, and I'm not here to tear down somebody's personality.

I am here to point out the behaviors and the false teachings that have come from Mr. Tony Cunningham.
And now are being pontificated by Mike at turning point church.

I will point out the duplicitous of leaders who say one thing and do another, who teach one thing on the surface and have a deeper diabolical teaching for those they can manipulate. I will report to you when leaders boldface lie to the congregation and members.

And I will challenge people to research for themselves the many issues that been tabled here on this forum. If you're leaders will not run a transparent church or and accountable ministry. The my first question is, WHAT ARE THEY HIDING?

HEY PEOPLE. THE ISSUE HERE IS A FALSE TEACHING THAT IS BEING PROLIFERATED UPON THE INNOCENT PEOPLE IN THE CHURCH.

AT THE SAME TIME, WE WHO GATHER HERE ON THIS FORUM, ARE HERE TO SHARE OUR TESTIMONIES AND OUR EXPERIENCES OF SPIRITUAL ABUSE WE HAVE EXPERIENCED FIRST-HAND HOPPING TO EXPOSE THE MANY LAYERS OF FALSE TEACHINGS AND COERCION. EACH ONE OF US BRINGS A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE AND EXPERIENCE WITH THESE LEADERS AND THEIR TEACHINGS. AS EACH ONE OF US SHARES AND RELATES DIFFERENT TESTIMONIES OTHER PEOPLE READING. WHAT WE SHARE HERE, THEY CAN IDENTIFY WITH WHAT THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED ALTHOUGH THEY MANY HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE AND DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE. THE SIMILARITIES OF SPIRITUAL ABUSE ARE SURPRISINGLY THE SAME.

I ENJOY HUMOR, AND SOMETIMES LOOKING AT THE ABSURDITIES OF HOW THESE LEADERS ARE BEHAVING IS NOTHING SHORT OF BEING FUNNY! BUT MOST OF THE TIME IS VERY, VERY SERIOUS. PEOPLE'S LIVES ARE BEING HURT BY ASSOCIATING WITH THESE DESTRUCTIVE CHURCHES LIKE RADIANT LIFE AND TURNING POINT. AND UNLIKE A PERSON BUYING A PACK OF CIGARETTES THAT COMES WITH A WARNING FROM THE SURGEON GENERAL. WHEN WALKING INTO THESE CHURCHES THERE IS NO POSTED WARNING! I AM CONVINCED THAT THESE PEOPLE RUNNING THESE CHURCHES ARE DEEPLY DECEIVED AND DOING THE DEVILS WORK, THEY ARE WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING LOOKING TO COERCE YOU OUT OF A REAL-LIFE WITH JESUS CHRIST.

WE WHO GATHER HERE ON THIS FORUM HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO EXPOSE THE MOTIVES AND TEACHINGS AND THE BEHAVIORS OF THESE LEADERS. I BELIEVE IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO PICK UP THE TORCH AND CARRY IT!

BraveHeart

I don't expect people to be 100% on board with me.
If somebody disagrees with me 20% that doesn't make that person 80% my friend and 20% my enemy.
People have disagreements; the ideal is to have dialogue, conversation and debate.
I don’t want to have a lock step movement, I don't want to see robots in the church. Robots are following Tony and Mike!

It's a very interesting to witness the behaviors of how Tony manipulates the Elders, Staff and SOMA students into, becoming a lock step movement.
We are seeing the same thing at Turning Point and SOMA NW.
That submission is to give up your thinking process and to become indoctrinated not educated!
Tony methods of teachings are slick but go back and look at notes from his theme of teachings
1. Authority
2. Submission to that authority
3. Sacrifice

BraveHeart

May I make an appeal to all of you regarding the conflict that transpired a few posts ago? I've been thinking about it for a few hours, and I hope you will please consider the following:

When I post on here, I'll bet there are at least a few readers who think (maybe not in these exact words, but...you know what I'm talking about): "Oh man, the windbag is posting. LearningPoint always takes 500 words to say what I could say in 10." And at that point, you can either go ahead and read the whole novel word-for-word anyway, skim it, or skip it altogether.

May I appeal to you, wherefromhere, to just skip the posts/posters you don't find helpful, including me, if applicable? What I don't know, in this case, won't hurt me. :) It would be a shame for you to miss the stuff that would be beneficial to you and for us to miss your posts as well, just because you don't care for a particular voice on the forum.

May I appeal to you, Buddy's wife, to reconsider your position, as well? I think you have a valid point about using personal messaging for personal issues in instances like these. We should take note of this. Please consider this disagreement as part of our learning curve. This is the first forum I've ever posted on. I've never done anything like this, and I'm thinking this is true for many of us. Perhaps our inclination as ones who have been trained to be "nice people" would be to try to impose the same rules on the forum of "nice talk" that we've always been taught. But I think C. S. Lewis was right when he said that in the church, we've so elevated the value of being nice at the expense of being true. So Buddy's posts ruffle that "nice" bent we have, but it doesn't make him wrong about what he's saying. I think if more people knew him by more than just his writing here, they'd see his writing differently as well. But e-communication definitely has its limitations and disadvantages. (I admire that you defended your husband. It's clear that you love and support him.)

Finally, the apostle Paul brought his voice to the public forums of his time. In THOSE forums there were secular philosophers and pagans, but he jumped right in and didn't let that quiet his voice, because he had TRUTH to share--the truth of the Gospel. Where would we be if he hadn't lifted his voice in those forums, despite controversy, ridicule, and persecution?

Please, let's keep talking.



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LearningPoint Thanks for your words of wisdom.

Quote
BraveHeart
Tony methods of teachings are slick but go back and look at notes from his theme of teachings
1. Authority
2. Submission to that authority
3. Sacrifice

Ok, can't resist. Am I the only one who noticed the acronym here, ASS lol.

Way to go Braveheart!