> ask for her to be removed if that’s not already
> been done. These posts are taking away from the
> genuine discussion that has been taking place and
> may well lead to the discrediting of useful
> conversation for many people.
>
> Thanks for listening.


Esme is allowed her view on her experience . IT would be like us gagging her again as Struthers tried to do with us all over the years.

So in my eyes and my view I will Answer things she post. As no one will shut.me u0 again. If that's the case you think I'm wrong for doing what I do get.me removed to also However I will continue speaking up about Struthers.

Yes I agree that people are entitled to their view and I am all for people speaking up where they feel there has been injustice - 100%. Things need to be spoken of in order for change to come (be that in individual’s own situations or in an organisation).

What I am against is where people say they have spoken to others when they have not, and claim information from sources which are lies. Lies don’t seem to further the cause in any way for those of us who only want truth. .

Anyway I’ve said my piece and won’t comment any more on this matter, it’s entirely up to others to decide what the purpose of this site is.

WestofScotland Wrote:
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> Yes I agree that people are entitled to their view
> and I am all for people speaking up where they
> feel there has been injustice - 100%. Things need
> to be spoken of in order for change to come (be
> that in individual’s own situations or in an
> organisation).
>
> What I am against is where people say they have
> spoken to others when they have not, and claim
> information from sources which are lies. Lies
> don’t seem to further the cause in any way for
> those of us who only want truth. .
>
> Anyway I’ve said my piece and won’t comment any
> more on this matter, it’s entirely up to others to
> decide what the purpose of this site is.


I agree with you there . I know how it feels for lies to be past about and writing about myself.
I have been accused of being bitter and having a mental breakdown and was in hospital because of what I was sharing on here.

I hope whoever it is she's lied about is OK.

Please feel free to post Everyone is welcome here

This Forum has a Rick Ross moderator. It’s only he or she who can remove someone and his or her posts if they deem it to be necessary. This has happened in past years.

WestofScotland

Hmmm, why would you want to have someone removed from this forum, West of Scotland? Why does it matter so much to you? Why are you trying to discredit Esme's anecdotes by labelling them as lies? How do we know that you are not lying? Are you a "Spiers" supporter...or indeed a Spiers?

It is clear from Esme's accounts, that she suffered greatly (and still does) at the hands of AS et al during her time in the "commune". Shouldn't she therefore be encouraged to share and receive words of comfort from fellow victims of the AS/SMC regime?



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‘Unfortunately I do have personal knowledge of quite a few of the ‘situations’ and ‘conversations’ she mentions however, and know that they are completely fictional. Some of the insights into people’s thinking are also totally made up and actually quite hurtful - and at a personal level for people themselves who have been victims‘
You also state that her statements are 100% lies!
When I read Esmes accounts of what she is describing they relate to similar situations to what not only I but others have encountered …some of whom are still in SMC. The AS ‘problem,’ goes back years…to the early years when she was given ‘power’. This is not new to esmes age group. She was handed the youth work, the Glasgow Church and Cedars school on a platter. She began spritually grooming the young people at a very early age …when they were basically children. She then began to weed out the older generation one by one even when Mary was still alive. She wanted those trained under Mary’s ministry out of the picture. Of course Elaine and a few others were kept on board because they believed her to be this anointed spiritual leader. I saw through the years that she was literally building a ‘kingdom’ for herself and not one leader stepped in to stop it. How did she do this? With promises of gifting and calling to those she chose and they had to break to her. It was said from the Glasgow platform many times not only by her but also by her side kick Elaine (you have to break to Alison!) This literally happened up to the days before she walked out the door. People who are still in SMC can testify to this.
And as I said in an earlier post ..leaders were approached and AS basically turned it back on the ‘complainer’ by stating things like…or they’re not really pulling their weight or they have misinterpreted what I said because they’re not in the right place etc. how do I know this because I was one of them!
She humiliated people by basically telling them they were of no worth, not spiritual, not anointed, not one of her people etc (I could go on) and by not allowing them to fulfill any service to Christ whatsoever within SMC.
So please tell me the specific ‘100% lies’ that Esme is stating. So by stating 100% you’re saying that everything she has said is ALL lies?
So am I a liar too?
Are the many, many people of my generation who were shut down and humiliated are they lying too?
I spoke a number of years ago to someone who was more of Andrew’s age group and this person told me of how they were publicly humiliated … was this person lying too?

Esme has chosen a style of writing that I think you have taken great offence too…but that is her way of dealing with the trauma.
Mulberry may have hit the nail on the head…. are you close to AS?

I repeat specifically what are the 100% lies that you are referring too? The ones that you say you know more about but are stating are in fact fictional?

If Esme has indeed elaborated or changed facts about situations/ conversations which you are privy to and you yourself are in fact a victim of as well. Then please elaborate.
Because all I’m hearing is that you are defending the despicable behaviour of a christian leader within a church who’s first love was power and not the truth that is revealed through the word of God which she basically said ‘you didn’t need to read’. And again how do I know this because I asked her to clarify her statement in a public meeting. What did she do ….completely ignored me ..turned to Mary and said’ Mary you answer! She continued to say this again and again from the platform witnessed by the congregation. What was her purpose in this? Well someone who has a knowledge of how a Christian leader should act would use the word to instruct her on how a leader should lead Christs Church. She found this offensive and took a ‘hissy’ fit on more than one occasion when this happened. How do I know this well I’m privy to conversations that went on between her and people who used the word of God in this way.
To ask that Esme be removed from the forum so we can get back to what the forums really about is really not acceptable.
You have seen that some of us in the forum may not agree with one another but we allow the other to speak we don’t shut them down. That was a an AS thing! If something of great offence is said then a pm would be a good way to go in the first instance or we agree to disagree. In addition the moderator is the one who removes ‘offensive’ messages as they did with ‘bingowings’ for example as Rensil has already posted.
So I’m asking you to clarify your statements please so we may have a better understanding of where you have been personally harmed by AS (or other leaders / or persons in SMC as you talk of victims…I’m presuming your one but maybe your not? Or are you simply defending AS or Elaine or Janice etc if you are then that’s fine as the Petitor has said many times let others come on and share their views.
I’d be happy to converse with you if you support AS etc but I think you probably get my view of her from previous posts. Please comment on them.
And if I’ve misinterpreted anything you’ve said re Esme again please let me know.
The last thing I want to do is shut you down!
AG

> 6: Heard from Cousin in Largs that Spiers has been
> on the charm offensive, but also wanted a private
> prayer time with her having the star role. Great
> news they declined and she looked dejected. Guess
> the fairy dust is
> running low. She is missing the control she had,
> the power, booo hoo, booo hoo. We are not losing
> sleep over that. We rejoice Spiers has gone. Oh
> God You so merciful and we give thanks.


Oh how this warms the cockles of my heart! At last true discernment in action!

Hi all
and specifically west of Scotland.
Re
‘100% lies’ please take out the 100% …sorry west of Scotland I realised after I posted that the 100% referred to something else. But I posted really late last night and was waiting until today to rectify it….just needed time to do it.
But the rest of the post stands.
And as I’ve said in the above post it’s good to hear others views even if we disagree with them for example if you do support AS et all as the Petitor has said many times about opposite views that’s ok…you have an equal right to express your experiences.
But I’m certainly not ‘hounding you out’ by asking for clarification (as someone not you has pm me). I hope you don’t think that and are open to serious debate about clarifying what you mean by ‘some lies’ or ‘some fictional’
AG

Not at all wanting to detract from previous recent posts, but wanting to add in some further thoughts about Mary Black’s understanding of men. I’m not sure any man lived up to her father in her eyes and I think she manifest these feelings in her dealings with boys & men in her congregation.
I had moved my mother through to Glasgow and a friend (who also happened also to be our lawyer) & his wife helped us substantially with practical issues like decorating the house.
Mary asked me as I was leaving the meeting one night how my mum was settling in and how we were getting on with our house. I told her how much help we receive from this particular man and how he was definitely showing Christ in action.

The following week she pulled me aside, obviously very uncomfortable about something and said she was concerned about what I’d said. She was concerned that I’d said this man was showing Christ like behaviour and she wondered if that meant I felt she and her father weren’t.

I always thought this was a particularly odd thing to be upset about.