Esme post on main thread and my answer 2 it ..I hope others feel the same as myself


Esmespiers Wrote:
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> Horror Minister Alison Spiers Aka Jeckyl
> Posted by: Esmespiers ()
> Date: April 14, 2025 06:51AM
>
>
> Alison Spiers got rid of any privacy apart from
> Vestry treatment for underv40s, seen as more
> maliable! The older ones were seen as total trash,
> not willing to break break break!
> Firstly, Remember nothing in Struthers is private
> and when shared with Alison Spiers then everyone
> in Cedars knew, the children/ heard, The Sacred
> teachers heard and precious ones heard. So next
> time you think your having a private conversation
> think twice. Spiers fails to live by
> confidentiality. Mrs Gaultv everything shared with
> her was passed on to PREeeeCIOUSv Eeeelaine of
> fairy dust fame and also the deluded Janice
> Henderson. Her poor mother felt as though she lost
> her daughter to Spider,Correct!
>
> Had a chat with Andy and Rhian, they don't want to
> share but are happy for me to do so.
>
> 1: They fell out with Spiders re Amy having a hard
> time. Lorna, lamb chops was unfair and unpleasant,
> no surprise there like mother like nasty little
> daughter. Andy blew his top with Spiers but the
> last time the fairy dust failed to bwork! Although
> she had stomped off after big hisdy fit he wanted
> her held to account.
>
>
> 2: Elaine, vaka Hyde tried to intervene, but
> Spiers shot her down in flames. Of course Elaine
> just about fell to her knees to placate The Guru.
>
> 3: But, Spiers, Spiders or if you like Rash, all
> over you, Rash blurted to Andy that the husband of
> the main leader back in the day was less than
> whiter than white some years ago and the main
> cause of prominent people leaving years ago. (Not
> Glasgow) Very ominous, but very Spiers. Andy
> thought it was a distraction. My father heard this
> rumour when something happened about 20 years ago.
> Won't name who left, but they are on here.
>
> 4: "POLLY is not happy that she is being discussed
> and is thinking of making a statement on here. Do
> get vexcitedc itvwill
> Probably take duplicitous Alan Martin and Suze as
> well as Paul a few weeks to put it together. This
> was gratis of a pal of a pal from Ann C... Larkin.
>
> 5: Wee Dougie Mark's is enjoying St Silas, but
> Kirstybis sick of it already. Alan blurted that
> out to my older cousin.
>
> 6: Heard from Cousin in Largs that Spiers has been
> on the charm offensive, but also wanted a private
> prayer time with her having the star role. Great
> news they declined and she looked dejected. Guess
> the fairy dust is
> running low. She is missing the control she had,
> the power, booo hoo, booo hoo. We are not losing
> sleep over that. We rejoice Spiers has gone. Oh
> God You so merciful and we give thanks.
>
> Oh HappY, HAPPY, Happy Easter friends.


Esme its great you given Andrews views but I feel myself before Andrew and his wife speak about any other Leaders they need to apologises to the people they have hurt over the years. As for what I heard they both left when they were told they were no longer in line for the leadership.

Yeah your talking about the Spiers and rest .But it's alot more of the leaders what has destroyed so many lifes not just the Spears. I mind the meeting with Pauline Anderson at Winston but they were another 4 youth leaders in that meeting and other meeting at camp that year and they were as bad as each other.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/16/2025 01:27AM by FalkirkBairn67.

Hi all,

I’ve been reading the forum for the past couple of months and have found it personally helpful. I don’t want to say who I am at the moment (that may come later) as there are various difficulties relating to Struthers in my own situation which are unresolved. Suffice to say I am on a journey and not sure yet where it all leads. But I am very grateful for many of the honest posters on this forum whose comments have been useful for me in thinking things through.

However I have recently become somewhat perturbed by the posts from ‘Esme’. This poster has certainly had some insights into the dynamics of relationships within Struthers and the way things work (along with some humour) and I am really sorry for the way she has been hurt. I sincerely hope that there is healing for her.

Unfortunately I do have personal knowledge of quite a few of the ‘situations’ and ‘conversations’ she mentions however, and know that they are completely fictional. Some of the insights into people’s thinking are also totally made up and actually quite hurtful - and at a personal level for people themselves who have been victims.

I am a firm believer in Christ’s words that ‘the truth will set you free’ and therefore I urge people not to repost Esme’s posts on here and to ask for her to be removed if that’s not already been done. These posts are taking away from the genuine discussion that has been taking place and may well lead to the discrediting of useful conversation for many people.

Thanks for listening.

> ask for her to be removed if that’s not already
> been done. These posts are taking away from the
> genuine discussion that has been taking place and
> may well lead to the discrediting of useful
> conversation for many people.
>
> Thanks for listening.


Esme is allowed her view on her experience . IT would be like us gagging her again as Struthers tried to do with us all over the years.

So in my eyes and my view I will Answer things she post. As no one will shut.me u0 again. If that's the case you think I'm wrong for doing what I do get.me removed to also However I will continue speaking up about Struthers.

Yes I agree that people are entitled to their view and I am all for people speaking up where they feel there has been injustice - 100%. Things need to be spoken of in order for change to come (be that in individual’s own situations or in an organisation).

What I am against is where people say they have spoken to others when they have not, and claim information from sources which are lies. Lies don’t seem to further the cause in any way for those of us who only want truth. .

Anyway I’ve said my piece and won’t comment any more on this matter, it’s entirely up to others to decide what the purpose of this site is.

WestofScotland Wrote:
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> Yes I agree that people are entitled to their view
> and I am all for people speaking up where they
> feel there has been injustice - 100%. Things need
> to be spoken of in order for change to come (be
> that in individual’s own situations or in an
> organisation).
>
> What I am against is where people say they have
> spoken to others when they have not, and claim
> information from sources which are lies. Lies
> don’t seem to further the cause in any way for
> those of us who only want truth. .
>
> Anyway I’ve said my piece and won’t comment any
> more on this matter, it’s entirely up to others to
> decide what the purpose of this site is.


I agree with you there . I know how it feels for lies to be past about and writing about myself.
I have been accused of being bitter and having a mental breakdown and was in hospital because of what I was sharing on here.

I hope whoever it is she's lied about is OK.

Please feel free to post Everyone is welcome here

This Forum has a Rick Ross moderator. It’s only he or she who can remove someone and his or her posts if they deem it to be necessary. This has happened in past years.

WestofScotland

Hmmm, why would you want to have someone removed from this forum, West of Scotland? Why does it matter so much to you? Why are you trying to discredit Esme's anecdotes by labelling them as lies? How do we know that you are not lying? Are you a "Spiers" supporter...or indeed a Spiers?

It is clear from Esme's accounts, that she suffered greatly (and still does) at the hands of AS et al during her time in the "commune". Shouldn't she therefore be encouraged to share and receive words of comfort from fellow victims of the AS/SMC regime?



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/16/2025 06:04AM by Mulberry.

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West of Scotland
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‘Unfortunately I do have personal knowledge of quite a few of the ‘situations’ and ‘conversations’ she mentions however, and know that they are completely fictional. Some of the insights into people’s thinking are also totally made up and actually quite hurtful - and at a personal level for people themselves who have been victims‘
You also state that her statements are 100% lies!
When I read Esmes accounts of what she is describing they relate to similar situations to what not only I but others have encountered …some of whom are still in SMC. The AS ‘problem,’ goes back years…to the early years when she was given ‘power’. This is not new to esmes age group. She was handed the youth work, the Glasgow Church and Cedars school on a platter. She began spritually grooming the young people at a very early age …when they were basically children. She then began to weed out the older generation one by one even when Mary was still alive. She wanted those trained under Mary’s ministry out of the picture. Of course Elaine and a few others were kept on board because they believed her to be this anointed spiritual leader. I saw through the years that she was literally building a ‘kingdom’ for herself and not one leader stepped in to stop it. How did she do this? With promises of gifting and calling to those she chose and they had to break to her. It was said from the Glasgow platform many times not only by her but also by her side kick Elaine (you have to break to Alison!) This literally happened up to the days before she walked out the door. People who are still in SMC can testify to this.
And as I said in an earlier post ..leaders were approached and AS basically turned it back on the ‘complainer’ by stating things like…or they’re not really pulling their weight or they have misinterpreted what I said because they’re not in the right place etc. how do I know this because I was one of them!
She humiliated people by basically telling them they were of no worth, not spiritual, not anointed, not one of her people etc (I could go on) and by not allowing them to fulfill any service to Christ whatsoever within SMC.
So please tell me the specific ‘100% lies’ that Esme is stating. So by stating 100% you’re saying that everything she has said is ALL lies?
So am I a liar too?
Are the many, many people of my generation who were shut down and humiliated are they lying too?
I spoke a number of years ago to someone who was more of Andrew’s age group and this person told me of how they were publicly humiliated … was this person lying too?

Esme has chosen a style of writing that I think you have taken great offence too…but that is her way of dealing with the trauma.
Mulberry may have hit the nail on the head…. are you close to AS?

I repeat specifically what are the 100% lies that you are referring too? The ones that you say you know more about but are stating are in fact fictional?

If Esme has indeed elaborated or changed facts about situations/ conversations which you are privy to and you yourself are in fact a victim of as well. Then please elaborate.
Because all I’m hearing is that you are defending the despicable behaviour of a christian leader within a church who’s first love was power and not the truth that is revealed through the word of God which she basically said ‘you didn’t need to read’. And again how do I know this because I asked her to clarify her statement in a public meeting. What did she do ….completely ignored me ..turned to Mary and said’ Mary you answer! She continued to say this again and again from the platform witnessed by the congregation. What was her purpose in this? Well someone who has a knowledge of how a Christian leader should act would use the word to instruct her on how a leader should lead Christs Church. She found this offensive and took a ‘hissy’ fit on more than one occasion when this happened. How do I know this well I’m privy to conversations that went on between her and people who used the word of God in this way.
To ask that Esme be removed from the forum so we can get back to what the forums really about is really not acceptable.
You have seen that some of us in the forum may not agree with one another but we allow the other to speak we don’t shut them down. That was a an AS thing! If something of great offence is said then a pm would be a good way to go in the first instance or we agree to disagree. In addition the moderator is the one who removes ‘offensive’ messages as they did with ‘bingowings’ for example as Rensil has already posted.
So I’m asking you to clarify your statements please so we may have a better understanding of where you have been personally harmed by AS (or other leaders / or persons in SMC as you talk of victims…I’m presuming your one but maybe your not? Or are you simply defending AS or Elaine or Janice etc if you are then that’s fine as the Petitor has said many times let others come on and share their views.
I’d be happy to converse with you if you support AS etc but I think you probably get my view of her from previous posts. Please comment on them.
And if I’ve misinterpreted anything you’ve said re Esme again please let me know.
The last thing I want to do is shut you down!
AG

> 6: Heard from Cousin in Largs that Spiers has been
> on the charm offensive, but also wanted a private
> prayer time with her having the star role. Great
> news they declined and she looked dejected. Guess
> the fairy dust is
> running low. She is missing the control she had,
> the power, booo hoo, booo hoo. We are not losing
> sleep over that. We rejoice Spiers has gone. Oh
> God You so merciful and we give thanks.


Oh how this warms the cockles of my heart! At last true discernment in action!