Just in case people haven't noticed the forum views count has gone up by about 1500 in just the last 2 days.

And as part of that it rocketed through the 800000 overall views milestone.

What ever can be happening just now that generates such high readership?

" IS IT OURS TO REASON WHY,. IS IT OURS TO DO OR DIE,? THAT IS THE QUESTION

I AM IN REFLECTIVE MODE THIS EVENING.
Some think l have been hard, nasty and horrible regarding Mrs Alison Spiers. So let's take a moment or 25 to just recap why have shared what l have and please note l retract nothing. Although l concede l was unwise naming a certain person and have apologised re that. So reflective points.

1: l went to Cedars 8 hours a, day for a number of years. Who was the terrible terrible head teacher... Drum role yes it was Alison Spiers.

2: After school l went home who ran the
commune but Alison Spiers.

3: Went to church about 6 times a week who took the meetings, well when Glasgow, surprise it was Alison Spiers, Greenock Friday it was miserable lamb chops. she was as l have said like a rash.... Everywhere.

4 Didcshe compliment some people yes and obsessively so they were the Chosen. But for those like me she despised because l had character and was able to think it was not so pleasant.

5: I turned to deflection ie comedy to make folks laugh and that masked the struggles and frustration l ft on my aim for SANCTIFICATION!
But guess what despite the loathing, anger and bitterness l ft from her l found a way to love Jesus. This was largely from the kindness l found I some o the older folks she seemed to loath.

6: Some have said to me och, och Esme Alison was loveky she bought me a cake, an ice cream even a meal. Is there no awareness regarding the manipulation of that woman. My father said she was vary in the church and was ruling the roost.

7: There were people on her let's make ihit for them list by ignoring them, trashing them to GG, Dr and Jo.

Drum role for the trashed list of congregants:

Go Too enquiring re finances.
Jo "Too liked by the congregation for being a real pastor.
MS_ Prayers too long
LH who used to attend always looking for a fight.
GS- A know it all.
L the silent assassin, growling in the background.

This is all taken from the diary of one who left recently and shared with me. We were around at the same time. I know some of these people and they seemed good yo me.

Away, l will retract nothing re Alison Spiers. I think she has caused immense damage to folks, so l will not be quite re her modus operandi.
Lastly as for a that total tosh re personality testing in the church. If you look at it's roots it's from the occult!

" IS IT OURS TO REASON WHY,. IS IT OURS TO DO OR DIE,? THAT IS THE QUESTION

I AM IN REFLECTIVE MODE THIS EVENING.
Some think l have been hard, nasty and horrible regarding Mrs Alison Spiers. So let's take a moment or 25 to just recap why have shared what l have and please note l retract nothing. Although l concede l was unwise naming a certain person and have apologised re that. So reflective points.

1: l went to Cedars 8 hours a, day for a number of years. Who was the terrible terrible head teacher... Drum role yes it was Alison Spiers.

2: After school l went home who ran the
commune but Alison Spiers.

3: Went to church about 6 times a week who took the meetings, well when Glasgow, surprise it was Alison Spiers, Greenock Friday it was miserable lamb chops. she was as l have said like a rash.... Everywhere.

4 Didcshe compliment some people yes and obsessively so they were the Chosen. But for those like me she despised because l had character and was able to think it was not so pleasant.

5: I turned to deflection ie comedy to make folks laugh and that masked the struggles and frustration l ft on my aim for SANCTIFICATION!
But guess what despite the loathing, anger and bitterness l ft from her l found a way to love Jesus. This was largely from the kindness l found I some o the older folks she seemed to loath.

6: Some have said to me och, och Esme Alison was loveky she bought me a cake, an ice cream even a meal. Is there no awareness regarding the manipulation of that woman. My father said she was vary in the church and was ruling the roost.

7: There were people on her let's make ihit for them list by ignoring them, trashing them to GG, Dr and Jo.

Drum role for the trashed list of congregants:

Go Too enquiring re finances.
Jo "Too liked by the congregation for being a real pastor.
MS_ Prayers too long
LH who used to attend always looking for a fight.
GS- A know it all.
LBythe silent assassin, growling in the background.

This is all taken from the diary of one who left recently and shared with me. We were around at the same time. I know some of these people and they seemed good yo me.

Away, l will retract nothing re Alison Spiers. I think she has caused immense damage to folks, so l will not be quite re her modus operandi.
Lastly as for a that total tosh re personality testing in the church. If you look at it's roots it's from the occult!

Esme I am a little confused that you were around in the 90s but also attended cedars school?

Extra, why are you confused? The Cedars School started in 1999 in the old Larkfield Church building then it moved to the building in Ardgowan Square in 2004, where it was run until its closure last year. I don’t see any reason for confusion in Esme’s accounts. Children attend school for about 13 years and I’m guessing that Esme stayed in the Cedars commune when she was an older teenager.

Rensil I am confused and concerned because Esme is clearly struggling with what they have been through but a lot of what they have shared does not tie up. We are very aware that the leaders of struthers read this page. Esme has shared that their dad is not happy they are posting here.

They have also shared a lot of gossip that they have heard over the years and that is very hurtful and damaging. Whilst I understand ‘Esme’ did not say these things, there is no need for them to repeat it and cause further damage.

Sorry to come back on when I said I had said my piece on this but Esme did not attend the school and concurrently live in Cedars as they have stated - this applied only to one young person brought up by their parents in the house, who Esme clearly isn’t as she has referred to that young person several times in her posts. Pupils didn’t live in the house, I know this as I was around the church in that era. Hence what I mean about some things in the posts being untrue.
Also in case it helps, I am not a Speirs, not related in anyway to them or anyone in a position of authority in Struthers. I’ve not been in contact with the Speirs or associated people for years. I have no wish to defend anyone in particular, I just want comments to be kept as honest as possible so they can be helpful.

Extra Wrote:
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> Rensil I am confused and concerned because Esme is
> clearly struggling with what they have been
> through but a lot of what they have shared does
> not tie up. We are very aware that the leaders of
> struthers read this page. Esme has shared that
> their dad is not happy they are posting here.
>
> They have also shared a lot of gossip that they
> have heard over the years and that is very hurtful
> and damaging. Whilst I understand ‘Esme’ did not
> say these things, there is no need for them to
> repeat it and cause further damage.


Extra can zi ask where you get your facts?. I hear you have alot to say about myself in pm . Where did you get your facts?

.Also no I don't agree on gossip getting repeated as we never know what's happening in the background with the person the gossips about. And us repeating the gossip could push that person over the edge

.I have heard some news today that somthing that was shared on the forum on hearsay isn't true and has caused a hudge rift in a family..So please be careful.

The leaders all have a choice to be leaders or not. So they have put themselfs .up for discussion

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FALKIRK BAIRN

Well thank you Rensil and FB.
I have tried emailing the message l received from Extra to FB but your mail box is full.
The manner in which l have been written to is shocking but please not the following:

1: l have been called a liar., incorrect.

2: " How dare you bring innocent people
into this". If it were not so serious it would be funny. Hie message was entitled Enough.
3: l have been told AS is a brilliant person and l talk Crappe....
4: l have been told Spiers is kind a generous.
But DM l have also experienced her first hand regardless of what you think you may or may not know.

Well DM and KM l don't run to the Telegraph that's the Greenock telegraph snivelling because my kids need to go to a new school.
By the way they are correct they are not the Spiers but KMs mum SR lived in the same house as Alison Spiers that was the first little commune. So DM l will take no lectures from you. And by the way did l hit sore point re those ridiculous personality tests being from the occult. You are not the only one with a doctorate in psychology.

We are contacting Church of Nazarene that's a few of us who have concerns about Spiers running around there.

Hi All,

Just for clarity this is KM (as Esme refers to me). I was going to come on this forum anonymously but now don’t feel that is possible. I have been reading over the last few weeks but will no longer be choosing to share my story as this forum has ceased to become a safe place for discussion.

There are 3 things that have been said been on this forum about me that are not true.

1. I am happy in my current church, which is not anyone’s business except mine.
2. I have never contributed to this forum and neither has DM.
3. I don’t appreciate anyone commenting on my children’s schooling when you don’t know the circumstances behind this.

Please leave me and my family alone.

Best wishes,
KM