Thanks Rensil,
As always, you bring a lot of insight and wisdom to these pages.
I was particularly interested in the debate about speaking in tongues, because that is of course motioned in the Bible. On the surface, that makes it seems like what Struthers does is ok but, as you point out, it is not that simple, because how they use that practice is far from Biblical.
One note I should add here. I have said this before, but it is perhaps worth mentioning again. When I quote the Bible or what other churches do, I am not trying to convince everyone the Christianity is correct. The reason I quote the Bible is not because of what I believe, it is because that is what THEY say they believe, so that is the standard to which they should be holding themselves.
(For the more theologically-minded, it will not come as a surprise they even this technique is endorsed in the Bible. The book of Jude quotes two books that are not in the Scriptures – the book of Enoch and the Apocryphon of Jannes and Jambres. Why does Jude do this? He knows they are not in the cannon of scripture. The answer is that he does it because these were the texts the recipients were using to justify some dodgy behaviour. So, he uses their own texts against them, holding them to account against the standards THEY claim are authoritative.)
That is what I try to do, to hold them to account against the standards they claim are authoritative.
So, to get back to the topic in hand:
Is speaking in tongues mention in the Bible? Yes it is.
Is “deliverance” mentioned in the Bible? Yes it is.
Is holiness mentioned in the Bible? Yes it is.
Is obeying authority mentioned in the Bible? Yes it is.
Does the way Struthers practice these things relate to what the Bible says about them? No, nowhere near.
And that is the problem. They take something that is mentioned in the Bible and say, “look, it says it in the Bible, what we do must be right”.
They do not however examine their own practice to see if it is Biblical, and they quash all debate about theology and practice, not allowing others to point out any flaws, all because they are ”anointed” (oops – another word that they use in ways it is never used in Scripture).
In an earlier post, I noted a few ways in which Struthers practice differed from what the Bible says about deliverance. In the post above, Rensil points out a number of problems with the way they practice speaking in tongues. There have been many posts on the forum about how Stuthers pushes people into a totally un-Biblical lifestyle they call holiness, but is far from the holiness described in the bible.
I could go on, but you get the idea. Just because some word or concept is mentioned in the Bible, and Struthers use the same word that does NOT mean they are the same thing. A ball is used in table-tennis, tennis, rugby, football and other sports. That does not mean they are the same thing. You cannot just bring a rugby ball and play tennis with it, you have to make sure the ball meets the specs.
The same is true of all the ideas mentioned above. To be Biblical practice it er… bit of a leap here… has to comply with what the Bible says. Is that really a surprise?
So, when Struthers say there is a deliverance ministry, that is using the same word as the Bible uses, but that is about as far as it goes. There really is very little in common between the biblical approach and the Stuthers approach.
Just one further bit of analysis in passing – how many people in Struthers have received deliverance ministry – 20%, 50%, 80%? Let’s take the lowest of these - 20%. Now it may be that Struthers people are somehow worse than other folks, so there are twice as many of them that need deliverance than the people not in Struthers. Even with these conservative estimates, it looks like 10% of the general population- that is 800,000,000 people on this planet, are in need of deliverance worldwide.
So 800 million people need this ministry, God has given it to the leaders of Struthers so they can... what? Deliver the same people over and over again? resulting in...?
I will not go on further, but it is the same when they talk about holiness or obeying authority or anointing. They are simply not using the word or concept the way the Bible does.
What folks in Stuthers should be doing at this time is responding in line with verses like:
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Acts 17v11
Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
Most members are probably not there as they are just entering the disbelief and anger part of the change curve. Different people react at different speeds though, so some will be getting there already, and others will follow later.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/29/2024 05:06PM by ThePetitor.