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[FairfieldLife] Confused aboiut Swami-G (was Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi)
Ron
Sun, 17 Jun 2007 09:02:08 -0700
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FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In [email]FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com[/email], "Ron" <sidha7001@> wrote:
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> > TANMAY: I DONT KNOW IF YOU WATCHED THE VIDEOS OF SWAMI G UNDER
> > GURUSWAMIG IN YOUTUBE BUT IT WOULD EXPLAIN THINGS. SWAMI G DIDN'T
> > SEEK BEING A GURU, BUT RATHER PREFERED ENJOYING THE REALIZED STATE.
> > HER GURU COMMISSIONED HER TO BE A GURU AND THEN CHARGED HER WITH
> > THE THINGS TO DO
>
> Makes me wonder whether (what I perceive to be)
> the unpleasantness in her responses is a function
> of some resentment at being ordered to get busy
> and be a guru rather than just sitting back and
> enjoying her realization.
>
I can keep giving you my perceptions of it but it is startleing to me
in every way, including what took place with me once I met her. So
many times, I have told Swami G - I dont believe this, what is going
on. I suppose there is a range of being able to understand - anywhere
for zero for totally mundane minds - upwards.
Generally speaking, we look back in our lives and say I can't believe
I was into that- what ever it is. So as revelations appear in the
moment, it has this impact on the reflection of the past.
If I focus in on the "what is a Guru deal", then I have my perceptions
now and back then. Here goes again, but the Guru is light, ego is
darkness. Swami g's methodologies are that she is not there to be
friends, there is a heirarchy, and this way, the disciple can advance.
If it is friends, I dont think I have to explain why the disciple wont
listen on all levels in the same was as it is student /teacher.
Swami G herself in her own journey in the end was literally blasted by
her Guru who literally screamed in her face. This was when Swami G
thought she was enlightened because she knew it all and had siddhis ,
etc. He told he "YOU FOOL, YOU IDIOT, YOU KNOW NOTHING". At that
point, she litterally couldn't speak for days and really did not have
high regard for her Guru at that moment. Looking back, Swami G said
there is no doubt that if this had not taken place, she would still be
running on the hamster wheel of karma today.
One thing, by the way. Swami G 's enlightenment came about during open
eye meditation along the banks of the Gangies. She showed us the spot
where this took place. Swami G responded to a quesiton and said yes,
could be the Guru's use the methodologies that they themselves went
through which brought about their enlightenment. This is why I said
this path is extremely practical- and Swami G responded that it must
be practical- so the open eye meditation is on going all day.
This way, when the enlightenment comes about, it is stable, where as
if it is gained sitting in a cave, what happens to it when there is
interaction in the world ?
Anyway, in light of this, I once joked and said something like I would
never decalare I was advanced, for which we laughed. Swami G responded
to a question when asked how to get rid of ego so enlightenment
unfolds, the response was find a sat Guru that uses a velvet 2x4.
So, a Guru is looking for the spots that have to be blasted out
sometimes. Why would this be a pleasant job? and then the insults
directed at the Guru. This is something people really dont understand-
they think the Guru has no feelings and is a doormat that can be
walked all over for nothing can touch them.
My perceptions of it is that the sensitivity is even more than can be
imagined, and the smallest things touches them deeply- but what is it
touching and what is the result? They feel it deeply, I can;t say from
direct experience, but the attachement is gone as fast as a breath in
and breath out. this is why they can't hold on to past encouters, but
it doesnt mean it is not felt.
Being a Guru wears down on the body. If the Guru is doing the heart
felt job of being a Guru, then the karma of the disciples wears down
the body, - Swami G said this is a part of being a guru. It is not
surprising to see the body of a Guru go downhill quickly.
On one hand, they prolong the body because the disciples want this as
they need the guidance, they beg the guru to stick around. On the
other hand, the Guru while trying to oblige what the sadakas want in
this regard, are saturated with the silence and dont care about the
body, for they know 100% they are not the body and there is no
difference in their existence with or without it.
Again, I told Swami G that most people are not going to get past the
personality issue and tie in the persona with the Guru. Swami G
cautions the disciples not to think of the Guru as persona but
consciousness. Why did I say most people wont get past the personalty
and why is that I am saying I will?
Because the unimaginable happened- again, unimaginable means it can't
be imagined, it is like I got there, she touched me and poof, I go
into a lasting silence that is with me to this day. Without that
experience, it is only words. Not everyone will have this happen so
quicky, acording to Swami G.
Having my TM background, it would be interesting to see what others
with the same background has to say. actually, may as well spell out
the pertinant aspect of the TM background that i am talking about
here. I started TM at 19, was really high strung. Could even be that a
heart attack early in life may have been what was in the cards, so
could even be that without TM, the body wouldnt be here now. So, how
can I not honor TM?
I always made the time to be regular and give plenty of time and
attention to the practice. My meditaitons were deep, hard to compare
with anyone but they were deep, there was this degree where would call
it awareness of awareness was all that was there in meditation. then
the effects of it carried over into activity, everyone who has stuck
with it through the years would say that. But then in the last 5
years, this like significant bliss would be there for days at a time
in and out of meditation.
So, it would be interesting to hear from someone that had that sort of
background that then plunged into the path with Swami G. I am laughing
now because you can see the problem here with this senerio- why would
anyone with those comments about TM go anywhere?
Anyway, such is life, I didn't expect anyone here to be interested in
my path now even before I made the first post- there might be one-
remains to be seen, but certainly not having high expectations of
people lined up for Diksha from here.
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