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I just signed up to hopefully clarify the definition of *cult* for the participants of these forums, like the ongoing debate between Guru Patrol and others is trying to achieve.
Sceptics here need seriously to consider if all religion and spirituality is a cult or not. If authentic spiritual teachers exist, the criteria need clarification in order to be helpful.
If every whiner gets to name his/her latest attended class or retreat a cult, because some of his/her capriciousness was not met there or because there was some hint at discipline or commitment, then this is not helpful if the objective of these forums is to identify and reveal actual criminal abuses. By capriciousness I mean e.g. "proof of Kundalini" that Indiaspark demanded from Swami G. Seriously, do you demand proof of molecules from your chemistry teacher?
I have seen similar degenerated argumentation before. I have seen people deny reality of dreams because obviously nobody can materially show or prove one's own dreams to another. Let's hope this forum can stay mature, instead of blindly denialistic in the area of spirituality.
At each and every school there is a distinction of roles: the teacher speaks, the student listens. You accept it in public high schools, don't you? So why should it be any different with spiritual instructors? There is a reasonable balance somewhere and I hope you find it.
As to the actual topic at hand, it has been extremely gracious of Guru Swami G to have come here to meet the allegations thrown against her. I am not saying anything about her spiritual qualifications (though her posts clearly reveal their essence and level), but from the point of view of general didactics I see a genuinely compassionate and well-meaning personality. Her appearance here deserves much gratitude and appreciation and also indicates the importance of these forums among spiritual seekers.
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Consultations
Guru Swami G is available for questions and consultation for those who are not students on this path. The donation schedule is:
• Consultation: $50 per 1/2 hour, $100 per hour.
If you have 'special circumstances' and cannot afford these donation amounts then send an email and explain what would be possible.
If you decide you want to go forward with a consultation please use the donation button on the left, then send your information, with a phone number or a Skype ID, along with a time frame (based on Eastern time), for Guru-G to get back to you to: info@guruswamig.com. If you give a time frame, please make sure you are available and that you have your phone with you. Guru SwamiG will make one attempt to call you and if you are not there, the money will be refunded.
grace
Please show your respect and appreciation for the consultation given — do not interrupt GuruG or speak over her. This is being offered to aide humanity as very few Gurus will openly offer to give consulations for such a small donational offering, so please respect what is being given. The consultation is for your benefit and not hers.
OM Shanti Thank you -
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[FairfieldLife] Confused aboiut Swami-G (was Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi)
(name omitted)Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:03:41 -0700
Namaste FFL,
Now that didn't fuck you brains up just now that I greeted the group like that , did it? How about how I just used the word Fuck?
I am cracking up here but actually Swami G has used the word fuck way more than I have, after all my up bringing is more on the east coast, whereas it seems along Swami G's journey, it was in Hawaii, ca and the west coast- they talk like that over there.
Why am I bringing this up? hmmm, I didn't know what I was going to write exactly, I hit the reply button and off I go, I just got through reading like 5 posts on this thread which I thought was about dead but it's coming back to life.
Somehow of all the comments, the flavor of what's sitting in my memory is (name omitted) things. Hard to explain my memory now because there is a real difference in it, no words to explain how it works, yet Swami G and maybe some others can understand.
To try to explain this memory thing, it is as if the silence drowns out the memory, yet what is needed is there. How is it if the memory is drowned out that I can recall all the words needed now to write?This memory being drowned out is part of the kundalini being awake, which then is why the silence is there, so it all connected.
The mind changes, actually it is not about a cosmic mind, it is more about the loosing the mind. Look at all the stuff I am saying- no cosmic mind, you loose your mind, no cosmic ego, you loose your ego, the identity of who you thought you were- gone- in Realization- no more (name omitted-Corboy.
And the truth of Kundalini, once it is switched on, it can;t be
switched off. And did I tell you? - It was aparent to me that the Om mantra is used with Swami G- if you research what Maharishi says about the Om Mantra, he says you loose all your money and everything else.
Lets see, is there anything else I can think of the scare the shit out of you before I see if anyone is interested in joining this path? hmmm I think I got most of it, you loose your mind, your identity, maybe you could really at some point have some difficult memory loss or who knows what may come up with the kundalini? I am enjoying everything but that is me, I can't tell you what would happen with you, that is up to you.
How did I get into all this anyway, where was I? hahahaha. Well, no matter what has been written by me or Swami G, this path is not what what thought it was when they get to know it, Swami G was not what you thoght she was once you get to know her, and Swami G says once realization is known, it was never what you thought it was.
Since Alex is bringing up some paling around he did with his Guru, let me think what I did- we went to see like 3 movies, one was the D'ovinci code. Right in the middle of the movie, I sunk so deep in consciosness, I wont forget that movie- after I was laughing so hard and Swami G joined right in with me. oh yea, we went to the circus in Mexico, pretty good, also in Hawaii we went to this circus sort of thing- I recognized one of the girls in the circus, awesome, she shot an arrow with her feet while standing on her hands and hit the target.
There was some tatoo shop in Honolulu, so Swami G got some extra tatoos , including an amazing one on her arm of her daughter (name omitted for privacy-Corboy). We also went to this polynisuan thing in Honolulu, also rather awesome.
We stayed in yurts on the big Island, it just happened to be clothes optional, something to add to our laughter. You would have to be out of your mind to walk around naked there because you would get your ass bitten off with mosquitoes.
Wanna hear about india? or Mexico? or LA? - We travel alot together it looks like, I will keep you posted maybe.
But down to the serious points- i was going to say I dont give a rats ass what you do because Swami G has used that expression so ofter, but in this case I do care how everyone makes out here, I hope it is well.
Just as I am writting here, this could have been Swami G writting this way. Then there are many that run to the books to see how the enlightened are supposed to be, and then run through the list- sometimes directly to Swami G- It says here that the enlightened pick their nose with the left finger- you are using the right, they do this, but you do this.
There was one professor who studdied metaphysics for years, and Swami G was just not able to meet the standards for being enlightened acording to what his books told him. Because he has the athority with his degree, the weight for what he says is supposed to be very significant.
But this is not my final letter, I am not mad, I am having a little fun here. I dont have to answer questions because if there were sincere inquiries about this path, you all know what you can find Swami G to ask- don't know what happens from there
Lets see, I went into everything under the sun in this letter. oh yes, there was a partial list of what can bring about a Kundalini awakening posted but it was labeled something else by the poster. That is not cool really because it is intentially distorting something that was published in order to help people, but then again, most of you reading this don't give a ratts ass about this path ( there I go again) and actually, as I said, with all the web sites, there are like 15 or so disciples, so you can see this really is not a very popular thing.
Well, look at that list of the shit that can happen to you, you can loose it all- you have to be nuts to enter this path or do you? Man, this certainly is a differnt sort of letter- what happened to this guy called Ron. Even that, you loose your name- he isn;t ever Ron anymore-
Ok, let me try to get serious again, last time I tried in this letter, I lost it again and went off- just one more reason to stay away from this path- look at this guy, what is it- Ronmay, Tanmay- Who is it we are confused about- Swami G or this Ronmay- Tanmay guy?
In doing all these events with Swami G, in writting this letter- in both situations, this deep state of consciousness - different than before for me, was always there. So, weather it is in meditation or activity, what ever activity, the sadana is going on. Lets see, sticks and stones may break my bones but your words dont fuck me up, steady as she goes- Was that how that rhyme went?
Do you get kicked off here for writting letters like this? Any other questions now that I have answered everything?
Y ( the one formally known as X)
PS, For your entertainment- here is a letter that someone just wrote Swami G, and she has now blocked him but he has my email address- it is from a disciple of a Guru named Adi da:
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FairfieldLife] Swami G's comments-death penalty and enlightenment for animals
Ron
Mon, 09 Jul 2007 10:00:40 -0700
I found this interesting when I was visiting, it was right around the time when
this Guy in California was executed- Tooky Williams or however you spell it.
I was talking with SwamiG in the Ashram, which always means it is Satsang. I
think Satsang means association with Truth. If that is so, there is a transmission that
occurs- shaktipat-so shatipat comes out of satsang.
Anyway, I was surprised at the comments and they were interesting. I will do my
best to convey it. Swami G said there is no death, all is eternal. These people have
lost their chance this time around. Swami G said " I would even administer the chemicals" . They will get some help on the other side. They are in a hell relm and will be with a like kind.
It is not out of retribution to execute them but for those reasons above. it
balances out what they have done. Tokey Williams said he had found peace. Swami G said if this is the case, what is better- sitting in the jail cell the rest of his life? and if he
has not found this eternal peace, he will deal with the full effects of the returning Karma. Swami G said people may not like to hear this but this is the truth.
I told Swami G a comment from the late Charlie Lutes- he said they shouldnt
execute people because all that stuff will be released into the envirornment. Swami G
said that is nonsense, they take it with them.
Regarding animals, they have consciousness. It was said that Ramana Maharishi
had an enlightened cow, and I think crow and maybe other animals. Swami G said it can happen but it is rare. Swami G has 2 dogs, and they sleep in the same bedroom. She said Chico just has a dog's consciousness. However , regarding Miss Rhade, Swami G asked me- have you ever seen devotion like that?
Swami G said not all Guru's agree with this. Other comments about eatiing meet,
sex celebacy, all is covered in the satsang tapes.
Regarding the discussions at present, I found this in today;s posts, may apply:
Question:
So I guess my question is to which degree we should get involved in
> discussions about worldly matters, where the egos desire to be right
> can be very strong.
G: the world is not going to change no matter how much you argue. If
you want to see global change FIRST begin with yourself and climb out of
your own suffering. Or must you impose your suffering on others by making
them Hear what the ME wants - desires - fears - etc. ?
Regarding nabulouses comments to me:
You are disgusted with what I have to say? it is some comments- each receives
it as they like. In summary, i was in TM, left to another path, come here and tell of the
new path, and looks like point out what is in the new path that was not in the old, then
finding faults in the old where could be improved, and even stating that the things that can be improved are in place in the new path.
Big range in FFL, some are anti TM, some are pro, maybe some have never had
anything to do with TM, some were in TM, then left to one or more Guru's, etc- I think sky is the limit for what is here, I dont know exactly- havent been around for 3 years. So, depending on what your status is, this may have a big influeunce on what people have to say
I posted last year about this and saw like zero interest, this year is slightly
above that so a change is there, break out the champagne !