The strangeness of the closed-loop cryonics belief systems is on display in this thread.
"Outdated information on Quackwatch, How do we change this" [
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Is Cryonics Feasible? Stephen Barrett, M.D. [
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Cryonics believers feel very threatened by the fact that all of the worlds top Skeptics harshly criticize "cryonics", as there is no scientific evidence to support it.
You even have Mark Plus trying to come out against "skeptics" and making a false analogy about what Skeptics thought about exoplanets before they were discovered?
Carl Sagan, the grand-daddy skeptic, was the biggest promoter of the scientific search for exoplanets. He didn't sit around and mentally masturbate about exoplanet fantasies, like so many cryonics believer do about cryonics, like a recent Robert Ettinger post. [
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Robert Ettinger has been churning that stuff out for decades, and what has it accomplished? Nothing.
Carl Sagan didn't try to aquire peoples assets for imaginary trips to the stars in a thousand years, they tried to focus on current science.
Some of the cryonics believers are now trying to make the "skeptics" the enemy, as the skeptics are not going to be duped by the bullshit being peddled by the cryonics salespeople.
Guess what? The cryonics salespeople cannot dupe trained skeptics with their specious arguments, and the senior cryonics salespeople like David Pizer know that. They even know they have lost many of the Transhumanists who are scientifically minded.
So they want to target a more nonscientific general public, without training in science, and to use the religious impulse to Immortality to do it. New Age Sci-Fi.
Real skeptics are not closed minded, they just demand evidence and proof. Real proof, not sales stories, not horrible useless torture of dogs by Mike Darwin, not religious transference of Immortality.
But since the big name skeptics all criticize cryonics as being Quackery, they try to label those skeptics as being closed-minded, when in fact its the opposite.
The beliefs of many the cryonics believers, are very much like a religious sect in that sense, and the cryonic Venturists know that, and admit it.
And of course, in a free country, people are free to have their own strange religious and other beliefs.
But that does not apply to the cryonics financial scams, manipulative and dishonest sales tactics, personally attacking critics, constant lawsuits against the public, and the other outrageous behaviors by the cryonics community.
One needs to completely seperate the "freezing" stuff, from everything else. It appears the "freezing" is only perhaps 10% of what is going on in cryonics, the rest is sales, marketing, persuasion, propaganda, and attacking critics.
There are dozens of websites now trying to market cryonics, and not using science, but using emotion and the impulse for Immortality, combined with slick and deceptive marketing of the contracts and financial instruments. This is to try and target the scientifically illiterate general public, to try to get a piece of the funeral business.