SLAPP Cryonics, Alcor, NXIVM, Landmark, Scientology
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: March 26, 2010 11:32PM
"SLAPPs are Strategic Lawsuits Against Public Participation. SLAPPs are lawsuits filed against people or organizations because they have exercised their right to petition the government or speak out on public issues. SLAPPs frequently contain claims for libel, slander, defamation, malicious prosecution, and/or abuse of process." [www.casp.net] [en.wikipedia.org]
When the SLAPP is against the regular person by a well-funded organization, it almost never gets to the point of the "truth" being determined by a judge.
The PROCESS is the punishment, when there is a well-funded organization against an individual.
The organization knows that they can use their vast resources to force the individual to capitulate, pay their costs, and sign a gag-order, take down their websites, as the person does not have the resources to defend themselves. That has been witnessed time and time again.
Unless the person has help, then it doesn't even get to the point of a judge sorting truth from lies.
That is POWER of controlling your own non-profit organization like ALCOR.
They can use OPM, Other People's Money, to attack their critics. They can use the money brought into the organization from dues and cryonics contracts, to attack their critics at will. (yet another abuse of so-called "cryonics" money).
And usually the organization hires their cronies to do the attacking, so its a win/win, they attack, and their friends get paid a fortune, and its a business expense for their organization. Hell, they can even have themselves hired as a "consultant" in the process, and line their own pockets too.
Another recent example of this is when Bill Harris made direct threats against a blogger for criticizing his Holosync hocus-pocus scamola. Bill Harris knows the threat of the process is the punishment.
These are the identical tactics used by every sect and cultish group that wants to suppress free speech about their organization.
BELOW is an excerpt from Bill Harris, which is the standard method copied from other sects, groups and cults to silence criticism.
Its right there, the THREAT is the process, it has nothing to do with the facts and the truth at that point. To find the facts in a court would cost more than 150K, take years, and consume/ruin the individuals life. The SLAPPers know this of course, which is why they do it.
To the organization 150K is nothing, and they can force the victim to pay, and force them to sign a gag-order. They have the power, might makes its way.
If Alcor gets their way with their attacks on their critics, all meaningful critical analysis and criticism of Alcor will cease, simply due to fear of the process. Alcor is using the same tactics used by many others.
Imagine being signed to a irrevocable trust, with that kind of abusive organization.
Of course some exceptions to that are in the post above, like the defeats of Landmark, who were willing to spend millions to crush their critics, but were forced to back down. [www.eff.org]
[forum.culteducation.com]
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[saltydroid.info]
[...]
"The costs of such a suit will be huge, both financially and also in terms of time and stress. Legal fees for such a lawsuit can be, at minimum, over $150,000, the time commitment will be extensive, and the stress will be enormous. It will change your life in a way I suspect you will not like.
... Such a legal action, however, is quite likely to consume your life and your bank account, and will be highly stressful.
...At this point you have a short time to decide what you want to do with the next several years of your life."
...
Bill Harris CEO, Centerpointe Research Institute, Inc.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/26/2010 11:39PM by The Anticult.
When the SLAPP is against the regular person by a well-funded organization, it almost never gets to the point of the "truth" being determined by a judge.
The PROCESS is the punishment, when there is a well-funded organization against an individual.
The organization knows that they can use their vast resources to force the individual to capitulate, pay their costs, and sign a gag-order, take down their websites, as the person does not have the resources to defend themselves. That has been witnessed time and time again.
Unless the person has help, then it doesn't even get to the point of a judge sorting truth from lies.
That is POWER of controlling your own non-profit organization like ALCOR.
They can use OPM, Other People's Money, to attack their critics. They can use the money brought into the organization from dues and cryonics contracts, to attack their critics at will. (yet another abuse of so-called "cryonics" money).
And usually the organization hires their cronies to do the attacking, so its a win/win, they attack, and their friends get paid a fortune, and its a business expense for their organization. Hell, they can even have themselves hired as a "consultant" in the process, and line their own pockets too.
Another recent example of this is when Bill Harris made direct threats against a blogger for criticizing his Holosync hocus-pocus scamola. Bill Harris knows the threat of the process is the punishment.
These are the identical tactics used by every sect and cultish group that wants to suppress free speech about their organization.
BELOW is an excerpt from Bill Harris, which is the standard method copied from other sects, groups and cults to silence criticism.
Its right there, the THREAT is the process, it has nothing to do with the facts and the truth at that point. To find the facts in a court would cost more than 150K, take years, and consume/ruin the individuals life. The SLAPPers know this of course, which is why they do it.
To the organization 150K is nothing, and they can force the victim to pay, and force them to sign a gag-order. They have the power, might makes its way.
If Alcor gets their way with their attacks on their critics, all meaningful critical analysis and criticism of Alcor will cease, simply due to fear of the process. Alcor is using the same tactics used by many others.
Imagine being signed to a irrevocable trust, with that kind of abusive organization.
Of course some exceptions to that are in the post above, like the defeats of Landmark, who were willing to spend millions to crush their critics, but were forced to back down. [www.eff.org]
[forum.culteducation.com]
________________QUOTE_______________________
[saltydroid.info]
[...]
"The costs of such a suit will be huge, both financially and also in terms of time and stress. Legal fees for such a lawsuit can be, at minimum, over $150,000, the time commitment will be extensive, and the stress will be enormous. It will change your life in a way I suspect you will not like.
... Such a legal action, however, is quite likely to consume your life and your bank account, and will be highly stressful.
...At this point you have a short time to decide what you want to do with the next several years of your life."
...
Bill Harris CEO, Centerpointe Research Institute, Inc.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/26/2010 11:39PM by The Anticult.
Re: Cryonics, Alcor, Mary Robbins
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: March 27, 2010 05:33AM
In the other recent court case, some of Alcor's tactics are shown, and the serious problems with what is happening in cryonics, time and time again.
You have a person who is terminal from cancer.
The article says Alcor tried to convince her to move down to AZ to die, that is the Ventureville Cryonicsville idea, and a horrible idea for so many reasons.
A vulnerable and dying person would be putting themselves into the hands of cryonics company strangers who are going to get a huge financial payout when they die, and some of those cryonics folks are MORE than eager to support some form of euthanasia-cryonics, even for ideological reasons, as seen with the various cases and reports.
Would a vulnerable person on their deathbed also be convinced to sign over their entire Estate to the cryonics company? Of course the cryonics company would try to convince the person to do that on their deathbed, as that is part of the cryonics salespitch already.
For sick, vulnerable elderly people and seniors, to MOVE away from their family, and put themselves under the influence of a coercive cryonics company, that has to be one of the worst recipes for exploitation that one can think of.
For the 50K she assigned to Alcor, according to this report, Alcor tried to get people at a hospice to do their "cryonics procedures"?
Melody Maxim might find that very interesting, Alcor trying to get someone else to do whatever it is that Alcor wants to do with the body. What is the 50K for? Financing lawsuits?
For 50K is the person supposed to FedEx their own head to Alcor too? The entire thing is a ridiculous scam, trying to extract 50K from someone, for what? $50,000 is a lot of money.
Its even worse of course, when they make cryonics contracts with people overseas, and in other countries, where there is NO HOPE of anything other than collecting the money.
Then before death, she CHANGED the BENEFICIARY on the annuity, and even that was not enough for Alcor, the article says they could sue the family. Of course later due to more bad press, Alcor backed down.
But that is the danger of any annuity contract with these companies, even when CANCELLED, they will still go after the family. Since she cancelled her annuity in writing, of course that would functionally end her cryonics contract, as there would be no money to fulfill it. (of course that opens up the entire other can of worms and confusion).
This is the terrible problem when people are on their deathbed, they are adding these several layers of complex contracts with "irrevocable trusts" and the other complicated documents. Death comes quickly, and how is an elderly and sick person supposed to sort all this out?
Answer, they can't.
The other part of "cryonics" that doesn't get enough attention is the terrible pressure that can be used on elderly and seniors to get at their assets, and get them to sign contracts. Many people become quite vulnerable at that point, and if a person gets convinced to move down to Cryonicsville, it would not be hard for the professional cryonics salesperson to get them to sign their entire Estate over to Cryonicsville Inc.
The nightmare of the sales and influence methods being used in "cryonics" on vulnerable people in the financial/legal process is badly underreported.
For those in cryonics, they are not aware of those methods of using pressure and tricky contracts, which are very common in LGAT seminars, and other areas. The cryonics salespeople are using pretty much the same techniques taken from other areas of "influence".
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Court Gives Custody of Grandmother's Frozen Head to Cryonics Company
Mary Robbins' Family Vows to Appeal, Wants Body Left Intact
[abcnews.go.com]
"Darlene Robbins said Alcor told her mother that they wanted her to move to Phoenix to die, something Robbins did not want to do. She asked that Alcor send personnel to assist her, Darlene Robbins said, but Alcor suggested her hospice carry out the lengthy list of after-death protocols that the company requires to prep the body for freezing, including administering a cocktail of medications and performing CPR once death has already occurred to keep oxygen flowing.
"Hospice said it was not within their power to do that. They didn't have the medications," Darlene Robbins said. "It's against their charter, which is to help people die with dignity and peace."
Two days before she died, Robbins changed the beneficiary on her annuity policy so the money would go to her family, an act witnessesed by family and non-family, Scranton said. The lawyer said that others heard Robbins say that she no longer wished for her head to be frozen.
Darlene Robbins said she contacted Alcor to let them know her mother had changed her mind and "they hung up on me."
...
Besides battling the Robbins family over the contract to preserve her head, Wolf said recently that Alcor could not rule out a legal effort to have the original $50,000 annuity reinstated as well.
...
By Alcor's own list of lengthy procedures to ensure proper freezing after death, Darlene Robbins said, Mary Robbins' body is no longer viable because it was not prepared according to those guidelines.
"What they are going to do with the body I have no idea," she said. ""What are they going to do, put her in a box and just drive her down to Arizona?"
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/27/2010 05:39AM by The Anticult.
You have a person who is terminal from cancer.
The article says Alcor tried to convince her to move down to AZ to die, that is the Ventureville Cryonicsville idea, and a horrible idea for so many reasons.
A vulnerable and dying person would be putting themselves into the hands of cryonics company strangers who are going to get a huge financial payout when they die, and some of those cryonics folks are MORE than eager to support some form of euthanasia-cryonics, even for ideological reasons, as seen with the various cases and reports.
Would a vulnerable person on their deathbed also be convinced to sign over their entire Estate to the cryonics company? Of course the cryonics company would try to convince the person to do that on their deathbed, as that is part of the cryonics salespitch already.
For sick, vulnerable elderly people and seniors, to MOVE away from their family, and put themselves under the influence of a coercive cryonics company, that has to be one of the worst recipes for exploitation that one can think of.
For the 50K she assigned to Alcor, according to this report, Alcor tried to get people at a hospice to do their "cryonics procedures"?
Melody Maxim might find that very interesting, Alcor trying to get someone else to do whatever it is that Alcor wants to do with the body. What is the 50K for? Financing lawsuits?
For 50K is the person supposed to FedEx their own head to Alcor too? The entire thing is a ridiculous scam, trying to extract 50K from someone, for what? $50,000 is a lot of money.
Its even worse of course, when they make cryonics contracts with people overseas, and in other countries, where there is NO HOPE of anything other than collecting the money.
Then before death, she CHANGED the BENEFICIARY on the annuity, and even that was not enough for Alcor, the article says they could sue the family. Of course later due to more bad press, Alcor backed down.
But that is the danger of any annuity contract with these companies, even when CANCELLED, they will still go after the family. Since she cancelled her annuity in writing, of course that would functionally end her cryonics contract, as there would be no money to fulfill it. (of course that opens up the entire other can of worms and confusion).
This is the terrible problem when people are on their deathbed, they are adding these several layers of complex contracts with "irrevocable trusts" and the other complicated documents. Death comes quickly, and how is an elderly and sick person supposed to sort all this out?
Answer, they can't.
The other part of "cryonics" that doesn't get enough attention is the terrible pressure that can be used on elderly and seniors to get at their assets, and get them to sign contracts. Many people become quite vulnerable at that point, and if a person gets convinced to move down to Cryonicsville, it would not be hard for the professional cryonics salesperson to get them to sign their entire Estate over to Cryonicsville Inc.
The nightmare of the sales and influence methods being used in "cryonics" on vulnerable people in the financial/legal process is badly underreported.
For those in cryonics, they are not aware of those methods of using pressure and tricky contracts, which are very common in LGAT seminars, and other areas. The cryonics salespeople are using pretty much the same techniques taken from other areas of "influence".
____________quote_____________________
Court Gives Custody of Grandmother's Frozen Head to Cryonics Company
Mary Robbins' Family Vows to Appeal, Wants Body Left Intact
[abcnews.go.com]
"Darlene Robbins said Alcor told her mother that they wanted her to move to Phoenix to die, something Robbins did not want to do. She asked that Alcor send personnel to assist her, Darlene Robbins said, but Alcor suggested her hospice carry out the lengthy list of after-death protocols that the company requires to prep the body for freezing, including administering a cocktail of medications and performing CPR once death has already occurred to keep oxygen flowing.
"Hospice said it was not within their power to do that. They didn't have the medications," Darlene Robbins said. "It's against their charter, which is to help people die with dignity and peace."
Two days before she died, Robbins changed the beneficiary on her annuity policy so the money would go to her family, an act witnessesed by family and non-family, Scranton said. The lawyer said that others heard Robbins say that she no longer wished for her head to be frozen.
Darlene Robbins said she contacted Alcor to let them know her mother had changed her mind and "they hung up on me."
...
Besides battling the Robbins family over the contract to preserve her head, Wolf said recently that Alcor could not rule out a legal effort to have the original $50,000 annuity reinstated as well.
...
By Alcor's own list of lengthy procedures to ensure proper freezing after death, Darlene Robbins said, Mary Robbins' body is no longer viable because it was not prepared according to those guidelines.
"What they are going to do with the body I have no idea," she said. ""What are they going to do, put her in a box and just drive her down to Arizona?"
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/27/2010 05:39AM by The Anticult.
Re: Cryonics, Cult Movement or Ligit Science???
Posted by:
captnims
()
Date: March 27, 2010 05:45AM
Quote
The Anticult
"SLAPPs are Strategic Lawsuits Against Public Participation. SLAPPs are lawsuits filed against people or organizations because they have exercised their right to petition the government or speak out on public issues. SLAPPs frequently contain claims for libel, slander, defamation, malicious prosecution, and/or abuse of process." [www.casp.net] [en.wikipedia.org]
Interesting website. Maybe a certain whistle-blower will see this and check out casp.
Re: Cryonics, Alcor, Mary Robbins, the lies of cryonics
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: March 27, 2010 06:01AM
There is some serious attempts at propaganda, misleading people and the lies of cryonics, in the comments to the article on ABC, by the cryonics ususal suspects. [abcnews.go.com]
The average person can rapidly see what is going on, and the financial scam going down.
And the cryonics propagandists come out with the standard...the company is "non-profit", no one is getting rich yet.
These are misleading statements and lies, of course. Non-profit, means nothing. It just means that whoever controls the non-profit company doesn't pay tax, but totally controls how the money is spent. They use it as a term to try and mislead the public. In fact, those who control the non-profit organization can use the assets at will, and doing things like hire themselves and their cronies at 2x market rates for "research", and usually get away with it.
As far as getting rich in cryonics...
Its a proven FACT, that the primary cryonics salespeople want to sign up thousands and even "millions" of people, and if they get anywhere near that, they are going to be making BILLIONS.
For example, even 1000 people x $150,000 = 1.5 billion.
That is what the cryonics professionals are gunning for.
The dishonesty and attempts to mislead the public in the sales tactics used by the cryonics usual suspects is a standard pattern they run time and time again.
Following the play-book and talking points set-up by the handful of people who control the cryonics business.
The average person can rapidly see what is going on, and the financial scam going down.
And the cryonics propagandists come out with the standard...the company is "non-profit", no one is getting rich yet.
These are misleading statements and lies, of course. Non-profit, means nothing. It just means that whoever controls the non-profit company doesn't pay tax, but totally controls how the money is spent. They use it as a term to try and mislead the public. In fact, those who control the non-profit organization can use the assets at will, and doing things like hire themselves and their cronies at 2x market rates for "research", and usually get away with it.
As far as getting rich in cryonics...
Its a proven FACT, that the primary cryonics salespeople want to sign up thousands and even "millions" of people, and if they get anywhere near that, they are going to be making BILLIONS.
For example, even 1000 people x $150,000 = 1.5 billion.
That is what the cryonics professionals are gunning for.
The dishonesty and attempts to mislead the public in the sales tactics used by the cryonics usual suspects is a standard pattern they run time and time again.
Following the play-book and talking points set-up by the handful of people who control the cryonics business.
Re: Cryonics, SLAPPs are Strategic Lawsuits Against Public Participati
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: March 27, 2010 06:12AM
That appears to be for California only, but they might be able to refer to others in other areas.
The links above show other groups being defeated in their SLAPPs in New York state, for example.
And above were links to EFF.org, and other organizations that can help citizens when attacked by a variant of a SLAPP, to censor free speech, reportage and whistle-blowing.
The most incredible one was how Landmark was defeated, one should read up on that, to see the outrageous and dishonest tactics used by Landmark for years, and how they eventually lost when they were confronted by experts in that area. Its about this actual website, so its a salient point!
[www.culteducation.com]
Perhaps certain cryonics companies would be the one on the ropes, if they are compelled to open up their records in the public process, so the public could see what has really gone on.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/27/2010 06:19AM by The Anticult.
The links above show other groups being defeated in their SLAPPs in New York state, for example.
And above were links to EFF.org, and other organizations that can help citizens when attacked by a variant of a SLAPP, to censor free speech, reportage and whistle-blowing.
The most incredible one was how Landmark was defeated, one should read up on that, to see the outrageous and dishonest tactics used by Landmark for years, and how they eventually lost when they were confronted by experts in that area. Its about this actual website, so its a salient point!
[www.culteducation.com]
Perhaps certain cryonics companies would be the one on the ropes, if they are compelled to open up their records in the public process, so the public could see what has really gone on.
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captnimsQuote
The Anticult
"SLAPPs are Strategic Lawsuits Against Public Participation. SLAPPs are lawsuits filed against people or organizations because they have exercised their right to petition the government or speak out on public issues. SLAPPs frequently contain claims for libel, slander, defamation, malicious prosecution, and/or abuse of process." [www.casp.net] [en.wikipedia.org]
Interesting website. Maybe a certain whistle-blower will see this and check out casp.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/27/2010 06:19AM by The Anticult.
Re: Cryonics, Cult Movement or Ligit Science???
Posted by:
captnims
()
Date: March 27, 2010 11:51PM
Quote
The Anticult
That appears to be for California only, but they might be able to refer to others in other areas.
Luckily for Johnson there are anti SLAPP laws in Arizona and New York. Check this out. [www.legal-project.org]
I wonder if Johnson's attorneys are paying attention here.
Cryonics scam, Ben Best shilling for his associate Rudi Hoffman
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: March 28, 2010 06:19AM
Ben Best shilling and drumming up businesss for his associate Rudi Hoffman [www.imminst.org]
The pitch? Selling US cryonics contracts to people overseas, non-US citizens.
Talk about yet another cryonics cash-grab scam. There is no chance the body/head could be moved overseas, they can't even manage in a single US state.
But Rudi Hoffman, he'll sell it to ya if you will buy it. And upsell you while you are at it.
If you are buying, he is selling.
If you are not buying, he is upselling.
Its beyond a satiral joke, what these guys are pulling.
Is Ben Best getting a commission for cryonics referrals to Rudi Hoffman?
Special contra-deals? lunches? trips?
More Ben Best shilling for freezing pets at The Cryonics Institute. Another ludicrous cryonics scam, meant to exploit human emotionality for Boomers, and get a foot in the cryonics door for upselling cryonics. Pure cryonics exploitation for money. [www.imminst.org] This is the same cryonics quackery connected with the terrible cryonics abuses of dogs FOR NO SCIENTIFIC REASON, pure cryonics quackery.
The PETA Files | Alcor's Cryonics Experiments [blog.peta.org]
These are the same guys, Ben Best, Mark Plus who get hysterical because normal intelligent people, as well as trained skeptics will not believe their bullshit.
They get hysterical, because people won't believe the bullshit they are trying to sell them.
Penn and Teller called it correctly about cryonics...BULLSHIT!
Ben Best and Mark Plus...BULLSHIT!
Then back to business, to continue scamming people overseas for cryonics contracts that cannot be fulfilled, and exploiting others for cryonics money over their dead pets.
The pitch? Selling US cryonics contracts to people overseas, non-US citizens.
Talk about yet another cryonics cash-grab scam. There is no chance the body/head could be moved overseas, they can't even manage in a single US state.
But Rudi Hoffman, he'll sell it to ya if you will buy it. And upsell you while you are at it.
If you are buying, he is selling.
If you are not buying, he is upselling.
Its beyond a satiral joke, what these guys are pulling.
Is Ben Best getting a commission for cryonics referrals to Rudi Hoffman?
Special contra-deals? lunches? trips?
More Ben Best shilling for freezing pets at The Cryonics Institute. Another ludicrous cryonics scam, meant to exploit human emotionality for Boomers, and get a foot in the cryonics door for upselling cryonics. Pure cryonics exploitation for money. [www.imminst.org] This is the same cryonics quackery connected with the terrible cryonics abuses of dogs FOR NO SCIENTIFIC REASON, pure cryonics quackery.
The PETA Files | Alcor's Cryonics Experiments [blog.peta.org]
These are the same guys, Ben Best, Mark Plus who get hysterical because normal intelligent people, as well as trained skeptics will not believe their bullshit.
They get hysterical, because people won't believe the bullshit they are trying to sell them.
Penn and Teller called it correctly about cryonics...BULLSHIT!
Ben Best and Mark Plus...BULLSHIT!
Then back to business, to continue scamming people overseas for cryonics contracts that cannot be fulfilled, and exploiting others for cryonics money over their dead pets.
Re: Cryonics scam, Ben Best shilling for his associate Rudi Hoffman
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: March 28, 2010 06:52AM
Also, if one analyzes the post text about the cryonics pets, its also quite obvious that is a planted shill post, promoting Rudi Hoffman's and Cryonics Institute business. [www.imminst.org]
A single post, from a "lurker" who is looking for a 'special deal' for her dying pets?
Check out this laughable cryonics advertising copy embedded in the post...
QUOTE:
"is there any way to finance pet cryopreservation without having the full cryopreservation fee up front?..
...Are there any discounts available for multiple pet cryopreservations, or installment plan options?"
Well golly gee, guess what? The financial whiz Rudi Hoffman just happens to have a special discount plan just for you! Come on down...no money down Cryo for your pets, your kids, your momma! We gots installment plans, no cash deals, good credit bad credit no credit needed!
And of course Ben Best responds instantly, providing direct links for membership to The Cryonics Institute.
They are using dying pets as a way to try and get more members in the door of The Cryonics Institute.
No conflict of interest stated in the thread for Ben Best. No mention that he is the President and CEO of the Cryonics Institute, posting marketing and sales material for his own organization.
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[www.imminst.org]
Pyweack
View Member Profile Mar 24 2010, 07:43 AM Post #1
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Threadstarter
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Posts: 1
I apologize for the intrusion, given that I’ve only been an infrequent lurker at ImmInst off and on over the past few years, but I was wondering if anyone here has experience they can share with taking advantage of the services that Cryonics Institute or Alcor, (or even any of the other cryonics organizations) offer for companion animals. Membership fees aside, is there any way to finance pet cryopreservation without having the full cryopreservation fee up front? I understand that CI does not do neuro. Under what circumstances, and for what price, does Alcor cryopreserve members’ pets? Are there any discounts available for multiple pet cryopreservations, or installment plan options?
I fully intend to contact Rudi Hoffman and become a member of either Alcor or CI as soon as possible. I was hoping to finish getting through college first. Unfortunately, time has abruptly run out ahead of schedule for my cat, who is now dying from cancer. Even if it’s too late for her, any information would be greatly appreciated for the sake of my other cats.
Thank you.
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A single post, from a "lurker" who is looking for a 'special deal' for her dying pets?
Check out this laughable cryonics advertising copy embedded in the post...
QUOTE:
"is there any way to finance pet cryopreservation without having the full cryopreservation fee up front?..
...Are there any discounts available for multiple pet cryopreservations, or installment plan options?"
Well golly gee, guess what? The financial whiz Rudi Hoffman just happens to have a special discount plan just for you! Come on down...no money down Cryo for your pets, your kids, your momma! We gots installment plans, no cash deals, good credit bad credit no credit needed!
And of course Ben Best responds instantly, providing direct links for membership to The Cryonics Institute.
They are using dying pets as a way to try and get more members in the door of The Cryonics Institute.
No conflict of interest stated in the thread for Ben Best. No mention that he is the President and CEO of the Cryonics Institute, posting marketing and sales material for his own organization.
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[www.imminst.org]
Pyweack
View Member Profile Mar 24 2010, 07:43 AM Post #1
Group: Registered User
Threadstarter
Joined: 24-March 10
Posts: 1
I apologize for the intrusion, given that I’ve only been an infrequent lurker at ImmInst off and on over the past few years, but I was wondering if anyone here has experience they can share with taking advantage of the services that Cryonics Institute or Alcor, (or even any of the other cryonics organizations) offer for companion animals. Membership fees aside, is there any way to finance pet cryopreservation without having the full cryopreservation fee up front? I understand that CI does not do neuro. Under what circumstances, and for what price, does Alcor cryopreserve members’ pets? Are there any discounts available for multiple pet cryopreservations, or installment plan options?
I fully intend to contact Rudi Hoffman and become a member of either Alcor or CI as soon as possible. I was hoping to finish getting through college first. Unfortunately, time has abruptly run out ahead of schedule for my cat, who is now dying from cancer. Even if it’s too late for her, any information would be greatly appreciated for the sake of my other cats.
Thank you.
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Re: Cryonics, Cult Movement or Ligit Science???
Posted by:
Sparky
()
Date: March 28, 2010 12:36PM
Amazing stuff, The Anticult.
Yes, let's use perished pets, cute kiddies and other "soft and squishy" emotional techniques to sign up as many dumb bastards as "we" can.
Ben Best, while clever, is a lying salesman of the highest order (isn't saying someone who is LYING and a SALESMAN the same thing.) Let us REGULATE these concerns now. Let's look into not only the Sience (sic) of their cult, but especially their BOOKS and their questionable "trusts".
STARVE THE BEAST (as the TEA partiers and other seemingly small government people scream all over the web.)
Prevent these fiends from getting YOUR MONEY and you will stop this incredibly destructive and (possibly) murderous ("assisted suicide") cult.
These "cryonics" people are beyond the pale. Evil. Rotten.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/28/2010 12:41PM by Sparky.
Yes, let's use perished pets, cute kiddies and other "soft and squishy" emotional techniques to sign up as many dumb bastards as "we" can.
Ben Best, while clever, is a lying salesman of the highest order (isn't saying someone who is LYING and a SALESMAN the same thing.) Let us REGULATE these concerns now. Let's look into not only the Sience (sic) of their cult, but especially their BOOKS and their questionable "trusts".
STARVE THE BEAST (as the TEA partiers and other seemingly small government people scream all over the web.)
Prevent these fiends from getting YOUR MONEY and you will stop this incredibly destructive and (possibly) murderous ("assisted suicide") cult.
These "cryonics" people are beyond the pale. Evil. Rotten.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/28/2010 12:41PM by Sparky.
Re: Cryonics, Alcor, Mary Robbins
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melmax
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Date: March 28, 2010 09:29PM
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The Anticult
For the 50K she assigned to Alcor, according to this report, Alcor tried to get people at a hospice to do their "cryonics procedures"?
Melody Maxim might find that very interesting, Alcor trying to get someone else to do whatever it is that Alcor wants to do with the body.
I think the Robbins family was a little confused, in regard to what would happen, when the cryonics standby team arrived on the scene. In one news report, they complained that no one from Alcor had shown up and that their mother was in pain. Alcor showing up was not going to help that situation, since they are not allowed to do ANYTHING, while the person is still alive. It is my understanding that cryonics organizations do try to get hospitals and hospices to leave in existing IV lines, and I have no objection to that. Also, if a person has been removed from life support, and they are at death's door, (say, their blood pressure is rapidly decreasing and their heartrate is dwindling down to near zero), they may try to get the nurses to administer heparin, just before death, to prevent the blood from clotting. I really don't think Alcor would try to get the hospice to do anything more than that.
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