What the hell is wrong with Ben Best?
Is this guy for real? People listen to this guy?
Best Best's defence of Alcor, comes down to distorting the text of a newspaper headline about "batting practice". Can't he even distinguish between a tasteless phrase written by a newspaper editor, and the facts of the issue?
A newspaper editor trying to be "clever" compared Ted Williams baseball batting career, to the terrible actions taken to remove a used tuna can using a monkey wrench from his frozen head.
He even says using a monkey wrench to try and remove a tuna can is a form of "patient care".
To quote Charlton Heston..."It's a madhouse!... a madhouse!!"
Best Best doesn't deny the use of a used tuna can in cryonics, because that is a fact. There is even a photo online showing this.
QUOTE: "This head has been frozen down to -321 degrees Fahrenheit in the LR-40 and is now being taken out for permanent cold storage. Notice the tuna can stuck to it, the pedestal on top of which the Alcorian will await reanimation in the future"
[SEVERE WARNING, graphic photo] [
frozenbook.net]
And as far as the cryonics live dog torture, they have admitted it. One cryonics sadist has bragged that he has done hundreds and even thousands of his Frankenstein live cryonics "experiments" on dogs.
What a pathetic and absurd tactic Ben Best tries to use.
It really is a mad house.
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View Member Profile Oct 7 2009, 06:13 PM Post #2
QUOTE (Reverend_X @ Oct 7 2009, 06:23 PM)
I call on Ben Best and Robert Ettinger to admonish all CI members to stop attacking Alcor and to stop encouraging people like Johnson and his allies.
I have just posted the message below to the
CI Members' Yahoo Group. I am less partisan
than Robert Ettinger and I doubt the Robert
Ettinger ever reads ImmInst Forums. I have
posted less forceful messages on the CI forum
than the one below, objecting to a CI Member
who suggested that CI should denounce Alcor
so as to "distance" CI from the accusations.
Nonetheless, I don't think that the message
below is going to stop some CI Members who
are very provincial, partisan and even
hate-filled from attacking Alcor in Cold
Filter and elsewhere. I can only express
my opinion to CI Members, I cannot control
CI Members. And I don't want to control them,
although I hope that many of them respect
me enough to be influenced by my opinion.
-- Ben Best
Ben Best wrote:
> I have not read Johnson's book, so I am still
> unsure where this claim came from that Alcor
> used Ted William's "frozen head" for "batting practice".
> As I understand it, Johnson's book claims that
> Ted William's head was stuck to a tuna fish can
> and that a technician tried to remove the can with
> a monkey wrench. Trying to remove a tuna fish can
> from the head with a monkey wrench and using
> the head for "batting practice" are vastly
> different actions. Removing a tuna fish can
> with a monkey wrench is at least a crude form
> of attempting to do patient care. Using a head
> for "batting practice" is the opposite of patient
> care -- it is a disrespectful act of patient abuse.
>
> I have been challenged to prove that Alcor
> did not use Ted William's head for "batting
> practice" and the claim has been made that
> because I was not on the scene that I can't
> know whether this occurred or not. The first
> reason I give for not believing that Alcor
> used the head for "batting practice" is that
> the evidence given for the claim (trying to
> remove a can with a monkey wrench) does
> not support the conclusion. The actions and
> motivations are vastly different.
>
> The second reason I would give is more
> personal, namely that I have met most of
> the people who work -- and have worked --
> at Alcor, and I cannot believe that any
> Alcor staff person would use a patient's head
> for "batting practice". It is entirely out
> of character. Only someone who is both
> greatly out of touch with the people who
> work at Alcor, and ready to believe
> malicious lies because they are hostile
> to Alcor would believe such a claim, or
> even refuse to draw a conclusion based
> on lack of first-hand evidence. I would
> say the same for the claim that Alcor
> was doing experiments "dismembering
> live dogs".
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/09/2009 02:54PM by The Anticult.