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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: April 02, 2024 01:32AM

On Bengali Vaishnavism: https://www.academia.edu/41873068/Vaisnavism_in_Colonial_Bengal_Beyond_the_Hindu_Renaissance

Good book: https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Origin_And_Development_Of_Vaisnavism.html?id=CDE8XwAACAAJ

"The adoption of the principle of ahimsa and vegetarianism in Vaisnavism is explained in its social context. It is shown how Puranic Vaisnavism evolved in the process of revitalizing Brahmanism through assimilating several orthodox, non-conformist, and tribal elements; the absorption of mother goddess Sri-Laksmi in the Vaisnava pantheon is a case in point. The revised edition sheds light on the Narasimha incarnation of Visnu and the remodeling of some Vaisnava rituals."

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: April 02, 2024 01:33AM

The early evolution and history of Bengal Vaishnavism: https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.68279/page/n169/mode/2up

"... There was, however, no jealousy on the part of the Gopas towards Krsna for sporting with their wives, because through the Maya of Krsna, each had an apparent wife with him"..."

It seems so goddamn twisted and unnecessarily convoluted by any standard... Why does god need to fuck around with other people's wives but make them believe/trick them that he is not? I mean, hands down, Gaudiya Vaishnavism has to be one of the most made-up and all-over-the-place ideologies/myths/rituals/beliefs.

And more on the evolution of puranic Vaishnavism: https://ijcrt.org/papers/IJCRT2108269.pdf

"The Savaras, being influenced by the acculturation of the Aryans, began to worship the Sthanu-Murti19 (a log of God) in lieu of tree-worship. The Blue God in the form of Nilamadhab became known as the Purusottam-Vishnu.20 Legend has it that Jara Savar salvaged the mortal remains of Lord Krishna from the ocean. There is also a legend referring to Savari–Narayan. The Skanda Purana, Brahma Purana, Narada Purana, and Padma Purana are replete with the above accounts.21 The Savaras who worshipped the log of wood named this object Jaganta or Jaganallo. It is believed that the non-Aryan Savaras who worshipped the wooden deity Jaganta in the course of time accepted Purusottam-Vishnu as their god and began to worship Him. At present, Lord Jagannath generates a matrix of inter-group relations. The syncretism is exemplary and can be perceived in multifarious ways, whether in philosophy or rituals."

An excellent article on the emergence and unique nature of Kirtan as a Bengali phenomenon—invented essentially in its current expression in the last 400-500 years: https://www.muktoarts.org/more-publication/a-glimpse-of-evolution-of-bengali-kirtan-in-post-chaitanya-period/ Interesting to note that the "yuga dharma" was not mentioned or even heard of in most of the essential "kali yuga" scriptures like Bhagavatam and Gita. Literally crickets about the so-called maha mantra, Radha goddess, and process of congregational chanting.


Educate yourself, but don't bullshit yourself. Do it if it makes you happy, but know 100% that it's not some "miracle" and "transcendental" thing. It's very human, very material, and very much a result of the sociological evolution of religion, casteism, mythology, and ideology. And no, you don't need Butler to enjoy it or appreciate it.

Research, read, learn, Run.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: April 02, 2024 01:36AM


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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: April 03, 2024 04:42AM

Tulsi Gabbards latest book, out soon from Regnery, a conspiracy theory, right-wing publisher https://www.regnery.com/9781684514854/for-love-of-country/

The publishing house is owned by another major misinformation/conspiracy/conservative fanatic publisher called Skyhorse Publishing. so once again, we have the expected: Gabbard and her nutjob guru finding the perfect publisher for her book.

[en.wikipedia.org]

Skyhorse Publishing has been criticised as a toxic workplace, and for printing books containing conspiracy theories.[44] The Los Angeles Times has described it as "almost comically agnostic on the truth".[45]

Go figure. Ask any poor asshole who has worked in Butler's personal service or any of his projects and you'll likely get the same opinion: Toxic environment filled with conspiracy theory and constant berating of his followers.

What's classic is that in the end, the truth always comes out about these guys. They can't even get a reputable publisher to work with—they gotta go for the lowest of the low trash. "The Guardian called Skyhorse publisher Tony Lyons “the US publisher who picks up books ‘cancelled’ by other presses."

So basically if you want to read books written by a bunch of intollerant, conservative, mostly white, mostly angry assholes who make shit up and make a life of spreading lies and misinforamtion—that's where you'll find Tulsi Gabbards book...

RUN.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: April 05, 2024 01:44AM

Known websites that followers of Jagad Guru Siddhswarupananda have created to divert and distract attention from his cult-leader status:

[www.scienceofidentity.org]
[www.jagadgurusiddhaswarupananda.net]
[www.siddhaswarupananda.com]
[www.jagadgurusiddhaswarupananda.com]
[wisdom.yoga]
www.jagadgurusiddhaswarupananda.org
www.jagadguruchrisbutler.com
[www.scienceofidentity.org]
[www.scienceofidentityfoundation.org]
[www.facebook.com]
[www.chrisbutlerspeaks.com]
[www.scienceofidentityfoundation.com]
[soundcloud.com]
[medium.com]
[www.siddhaswarupananda.org]
jagad-guru-chris-butler.net
jagad-guru-chris-butler.org
[www.chrisbutlerspeaks.org]
[en.wikipedia.org]
[www.instagram.com]
[sif.yoga]
[www.jagadguruchrisbutler.net]
[www.flickr.com]
[www.leavingthisworld.com]
[www.siddhaswarupananda.org]

These and dozens of other websites, Quora/Reddit/Medium/X pages and posts were created by disciples of Butler who were instructed in the 90s and 2000s to create decoy websites (completely unmaintained for years since their initial creation) to deflect criticism of his person and cult in an era when people finally felt emboldened to speak out against his cult and abuses.

None of these websites are updated or can be used to interact with or get any information from them.

Likewise, for his political disciple puppet, there are dozens of decoy webpages singing her glory. Most are filled with misinformation and half-truths, and none make any mention of her ties to Jagad Guru Siddhswarupananda Paramahamsa Chris Kris Butler or the Science of Identity Foundation.

RUN.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: April 09, 2024 12:37AM


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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: April 13, 2024 02:21AM

It looks like Siddhswarupananda's top disciple, Tulsi Gabbard, has bought a house and settled right where she belongs: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/tulsi-gabbard-ex-democrat-and-potential-trump-running-mate-buys-house-in-leander-report/ar-BB1l5mwz

The white-supremacist, intolerant, conservative capital of the world (repeatedly voted one of the top worst states to live in). She and her husband have bought a massive oversized house for their, er, growing family of estrangement. Now she can "fit right in" when she hops on the VP election wagon for Trumplestilskin.

You really cannot get more Republican than this: A former Democrat-turned-Republican vying for a Trump VP post moves to Texas. Bravo. Siddhswarupananda knows how to raise em right. The apple don't fall far.

No doubt the first framed picture that went up in the new domicile is a portrait of Gurudev "srila Prabhupad"... and a landline dedicated to his incessant daily neurotic calls.

Meanwhile in Texas: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/he-s-deeply-scarred-father-sues-hindu-temple-after-11-year-old-son-was-allegedly-branded-during-ceremony/ar-BB1l5sNZ

RUN.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: XKRISHNA ()
Date: April 13, 2024 09:22PM

Your ignorance and prejudice is showing, FORREST. Not to be argumentative, but writing as a native Texan I want to point out that Texas is only about 39% white, is about 40% Hispanic, and 21% "everybody else." One out of every three Indian immigrants in this country lives in Texas. So it's a majority non-white place, and the demographics are trending more and more in that direction every year. The governor's wife is Hispanic, Mexican, and he is white. My own mother is not white, but my father is. So it's not accurate to call Texas the "white supremacist capital of the world." As a native Texan, I find the notion offensive and quite ignorant.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/13/2024 09:26PM by XKRISHNA.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: XKRISHNA ()
Date: April 13, 2024 09:41PM

PS: here's a clue for you, FORREST: there are non-white American conservatives too. Texas is full of them. Shocking, isn't it?! :-)

[www.youtube.com]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/13/2024 09:42PM by XKRISHNA.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: rrmoderator ()
Date: April 14, 2024 04:36AM

XKrishna,

Insulting other people on this thread will not be allowed.

And this is not a place for politics.

Please stop or you will be banned.

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