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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: IanKoviak ()
Date: April 26, 2021 12:14AM

Beware, this is a complete scam.

www.tulsialoha.org
[www.tulsigabbard.org]

Butler has created a political mascot. There is a personality cult that's evolved within the cult related to Tulsi gabbard. Not to mention a pretty vast support base of QANON conspiracy nuts.

Who in their right mind would donate to this person? She's done nothing with the money except buy expensive equipment, transportation vans and paid for Butler's expensive ass lifestyle (though I do hear tin foil is on discount at Walmart). There was even news articles revealing that massive amounts of campaign funds were being sent to Northwest digital which was a front by disciple Kris Robinson (buddy of mine from gurukula).

[www.civilbeat.org]

Shady clowns. The Divine could care less about bringing Butler and his minions to any type of justice. That part truly is up to those who have seen the clown show and gotten out and can now speak up so that other people don't get sucked into the vortex of their machine. Butler will tell you that you're not your body, but him and his wife have spent untold millions in maintaining theirs and pushing forth a fake youthful image to their followers. Find me a butler center that sports an image of him as the bald old frail man he is now. The whole thing is a sham.

There is not a single explanation of what the money is going to on www.alohatulsi.org.
On the other hand you can find ample fear mongering about cold wars and a nuclear arms race. Sound like anyone you know? Apparently gabbards so-called military experience and illusory run for president qualifies her to ask citizens to donate to her "cause". Details spared. Is she running for POTUS again? I doubt it. So what's the dinations for? Campaign staff? New camera equipment to make more fake staged and polished videos? Home in alaska? Property for butler?

There are hundreds, maybe thousands of highly politicized devotees of Butler who are pushing their friends, family and neighbors to donate to this so-called "good cause".

There's no question that Butler has become increasingly sophisticated in how he gets his money.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Truth wins ()
Date: April 26, 2021 05:07AM

Ian, I personally have not yet figured out what kind of a Cosmic Joke we are thrown into and what forces are behind it all.
Whatever team has created this duality realm has now arranged for all of these “lies” to come up. Using people such as yourself.
Nothing happens on this earth reality show by accident. Everything is scripted.
You could have easily put your hurt under the rug and carry on silently but chose to show your face and protect others.
Do you ever go on Twitter? There are hundreds of total strangers who are calling Tulsi out. Many people know about the ties to the cult.
The fact that a total stranger referred to Butler as the “David Koresh” of the Hare Krishnas is enough.
I heard that poor Iskcon (the sworn ennemy of butler he trashed for decades) amassed a huge donation for her. The frst HINDU in congress.
He is the most controversial self appointed Vaishnava Acarya in the history.
I am truly embarrassed for their group. Tulsi is as arrogant as her guru in order to dare show her face after the lies have been covered by many journalists.
However, they think that the whole spiritual world is behind them and that they are untouchable. That those who stand against them are envious demons who want to rain on their parade.
Never mind the money poor gullable people donate to Gabbard because of her anti war and anti regime change soft spoken speeches.
What do they do with the MILLIONS saved on Salaries on Wailana for decades? That to me is even more disgusting than the Tulsi donations.
They wanted to pull me in as a Wailana slave too but I have always had an aversion toward that project. I said no.
And I was thrown a flowery quote by the woman who is in charge of finding suckers for Wailana.
“Krishna never gives us the same opportunity twice”.
I know sweetheart, I missed out on the golden opportunity to save you another 30k in free labor.
Thankfuly most of my times and energy was spent on doing outreach and serve the deities by cooking, baking... I never became a slave to the money making businesses.
Yes the poor devotees at the SoI are addicted to the cult of personality. They are always looking for extra idols to serve and worship.
My heart breaks for them. But they have chosen to be misled and do not question anything.
I don’t think the campaign is soleley to make money. They really want a so called DEVOTEE to get into the white house so that they can do some good for the world.
With their superior spiritual vision and kind hearts.
First have compassion for your own group and the disgusting ELITE dynamics of the SoI before you guys try to save the world.
The dude has created a completely totalitarian spiritual system where people are afraid to speak and they want to free humanity from other dictators.
If they cared about souls, they would not sleep deprive them. Push them to get autoimmune diseases, slave in the Royal family kitchen and clean their houses every single day.
You must understand that none of them thinks anything they do is wrong because it is all done in Krishna’s service.
They believe they are the modern version of the Pandava army. They live in a fabricated illusion.
Yes it is a duty to protect other souls from enterinb their Truman (true lies) Show.

It is the Twighlight Zone!

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: DaWatcher ()
Date: April 26, 2021 06:34AM

IanKoviak Wrote:
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> Sound like anyone you know? Apparently gabbards
> so-called military experience and illusory run for
> president qualifies her

The Second Iraq War ended with occupation. The death toll is over 1.5 million. Half of the Holocaust of Polish Jews. Nothing to be proud of...American soldiers sent to do dirty job...



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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: DaWatcher ()
Date: April 26, 2021 06:42AM

Truth wins Wrote:
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> “Krishna never gives us the same opportunity
> twice”.
> I know sweetheart, I missed out on the golden
> opportunity to save you another 30k in free labor.
>
Really? One missed offering and temples disappear? A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami was invited to His future Master only once?

By the way Sishupala was tolerated 100 times..

True what you say. Polish version is as i wrote "you sit in your ass again".

That's their mood.



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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Truth wins ()
Date: April 26, 2021 06:47AM

By the way I forgot to mention this article by a loyal SoI memeber.
He is bashing this site and the people who exposed the cult using their weaknesses.
Like there is never anything shady about them.
The level of arrogance and denial it takes to think they are white as snow is beyond my understanding.

[medium.com]

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Truth wins ()
Date: April 26, 2021 07:00AM

Now that I am throw back into the SoI vortex, I might as well share the testimonial of a girl from possibly Ukraine or Russia.
Apparently Mr. B is still using the same style. My guess is that she experienced it when the virtual gatherings started. Which is not very long ago.






“For some time in my life i stayed in the group who worshipped Chris Butler. I was very new in spirituality and believed that i was among the highly fortunate people who have found a way to God.. I was invited to kirtans in the family atmosphere which was very pleasing. We sang Holy names, eat together and i felt like doing something very elevated… Often we were listening to the lectures of Chris Butler who was presented as Jagad Guru, Universe Guru.. We also sang mantras for him specially..

I never really felt deeply touched by his lectures, he sounded critical, uneducated and often angry, but i thought ok, we, “karmi”, deserve this.. I was a highly educated person who studied abroad, but I was thinking that maybe I was wrong, maybe my “materialistic” education was turning me away from God, and all I wanted was to come closer to God.. I also liked people who gathered there and thought its my spiritual family..

Several times i attended the big “retreats” with hundreds of devotees.. it was all fine till one of the retreats.. “Guru” intended to call us so everyone was supposed to get up at 3 am and go to the big hall and listen to his call. Many devotees were so excited as if the God himself called them… When he called, he spoke so arrogantly and disrespectfully to some of the devotees that I was shocked. My heart told me clearly - he can’t be guru or God’s representative.. Such a person wouldn’t deride his sincere followers…

Also I was unpleasantly surprised at the words of some of my devotee friends who told me - you shouldn’t read anything in Internet, you should only listen to Guru’s lectures. This made me think that something is seriously wrong here. And of course I read. I soon understood he was a false self-proclaimed guru and that I lost so much time..

I never returned to that organization, though it felt i lost some of my dear friends.. But it’s better this way then to worship some false guru..And also recently I had a conflict over politics with one of his disciples in Internet - she was really rude towards people who didn’t share her political views, called them “shit” and so one. And I was thinking - my God, that is a person who chanted Hare Krishna mantra for years! Where is purification of her heart, where is her tolerance towards others? I understood that not only the Guru was false, but something wrong with the whole worship system. I still believe in God with all my heart, but stopped going to ISKON temple too. I have an internal faith crisis and pray to the God to show me the true way to Him.. And I am sorry for the people who follow such corrupt false gurus like Chris Butler”.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: DaWatcher ()
Date: April 26, 2021 02:21PM

Truth wins Wrote:
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> I never returned to that organization, though it
> felt i lost some of my dear friends..

Most people are nice. Unfortunatelly some write something like that (year 2010):

[forum.bhaktijoga.pl]

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Your fucking Idiot!

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GO, AND FUCK YOURSELF!

Translation:

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I receive many similar letters, both from foreign members of the ********* Mission and from Poles. In addition, the same member of the ********* Mission (Honey Bees <honeyimhome06@gmail.com>) sends me various pornographic sites, set up an account for me on the site where I can order the services of prostitutes. Many people are threatening me with death and the death of my family, wife, or beating me. I understand that this is just the form of love they show me, they just can't express it otherwise. One can threaten and it is not an insult, according to these members of the ********** Mission, this behavior is not aggressive, but philosophical discussions and mutual enlightenment are an insult.

Dear Balakhilya, I have really tried not to offend or insult You. I asked you in the most polite way that I could, of course it is true that I am not qualified to tell you that you should apologize for the words you said to my diksa guru (regarding the danger of being in His company). What you will do is your choice, I did not impose anything on you, nor did I force you to do anything, maybe I just asked you for an apology, even though I tried to do it the best I could, politely and lovingly, because I did not want to offend you nor insult. Therefore, forgive me for my request. I shouldn't have asked you to.

I tried not to throw words thoughtlessly, to make sure that my feelings were correct and that your words were offensive to my diksa guru, I went to a persuasion and psycho-manipulation specialist to analyze this letter with a professional eye. This analyst from NLP (Neuro Linguistic Programming) and Persuasion said that there is an insult to my guru diksa by setting negative emotions in the mind to His Holiness and transferring the negative context from me to Him and to His mission in the next sentence. You see for yourself, the NLP specialist and other Vaisnavas, my godbrothers were also disturbed by these words and confirmed that they were offensive. They all felt the same. However, I never expected you to comply with any of my requests and apologize, I didn't even know if the insult was intentional or rather accidental, or if it was an interpreter's reluctance or some other mistake. That's why I asked for an explanation.



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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: DaWatcher ()
Date: April 26, 2021 02:59PM

Another technique they use when pointing out errors is the accusation of putting oneselve in the position of judge. Judging people. Everything is judging.

Well no.

It is one thing to judge, evaluate and discriminate. And of course - verbal.

In all the confusion of 2010, I remember the sentence:
"what kind of teacher" is what makes some SIF leaders hypocrites.

What needed to be proved.



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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Truth wins ()
Date: April 26, 2021 08:48PM

Now that I am not afraid to judge, I see that there are many things in the Vedas that are as detrimental as the Abrahamic religions.
The whole mad elephant offense that gives protection to any fishy “guru”.
The whole fear of offenses in general that stops people from discerning or calling others out.
Suggesting suicide in case you are offensive to Guru...
And the process is truly demanding in terms of worship 24/7.
Hanging out with any jack and Joe that comes off the street. People we have nothing in common with...
That you must only speek of God and his pastimes.
Never give yourself any permission to think. Free time is Maya. Be careful...
Not to forget the I am lower than the straw mantra that can lead to self loathing.
I have a friend who got hit by a car really bad. She told me before she got hit, she thought to herself for a few days:
“I have been so offesnive that I will get hit by a car”.
I usually am not a “law of attraction” type of person, but her story scared me a bit.
In case there is some truth to that, imagine what we do to oursleves by repeating every day:
“I deserve much worse. I am the most fallen.”....
It easily leads to another level of fanaticism.
SoI and Iskcon both are proof that the process is not as benign as it seems.
I like the Mantras, some of the good values and more advanced teachings that I have gotten out of it.
However the price to pay to potentially get off the wheel of birth is too high for me.
We must understand that not everybody is unhappy in SoI. What we see as messed up, is normal to some.
If they are happy living in fear, secrecy and partialities, callousness between each other, this is where they stand.
My observation with SoI is that they push most people to become the Sudra type.
There are almost no Warriors. Those who can have the courage to stand up.
They have built and army of mindless, obedient, peaceful “servants”.
They would only rise to defend their guru. This is the only time they may have some courage.
The whole process of SoI is an imitation Bhakti Yoga. From the guru to the relationship of fear they have established. And the fear will never allow people to reach their full potential.
Anybody who gets intimidated by them should take shelter of the not so perfect law.
Also share the emails with journalists...
They had always been protected by the silence of the abuused ones who left until Rama and company showed up.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: DaWatcher ()
Date: April 26, 2021 09:36PM

Truth wins Wrote:
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> Now that I am not afraid to judge, I see that
> there are many things in the Vedas that are as
> detrimental as the Abrahamic religions.
> The whole mad elephant offense that gives
> protection to any fishy “guru”.

There are warnings in philosophy against false "gurus". There is talk of a guru at least on the "madhyama" level if there is no other. Historiographically, Bhaktivinode Thakur judged "suspicious mystics." Philosophy speaks of the candidate's guru verification system.


> The whole fear of offenses in general that stops
> people from discerning or calling others out.

That is not the tradition.

Bhagavad-gita 2.40: “In this endeavor there is no loss or diminution, and a little advancement on this path can protect one from the most dangerous type of fear.”

> And the process is truly demanding in terms of
> worship 24/7.

This is not an "everyday religion" but a mystical process. Which can be used in everyday life, but in practice it consists in organizing life around ... meditation. Sankirtan, kirtan, japa. Everyday religion is varnasrama-dharma. Roles, responsibilities, stages in life. Staged process. Traditional, no longer adapted to the realities of the modern world - who can milk cows?


> That you must only speek of God and his pastimes.
> Never give yourself any permission to think. Free
> time is Maya. Be careful...

These are the fruits of recruitment. Either one is interested in spiritual realization or he is not. Recruiting him by techniques of persuasion or manipulation will not make him undertake a spiritual search. Well, there is a chance that he will be interested. But maybe other needs will be satisfied by the community. And that has a plus. Ecological life, less suffering for animals, more morality, tolerance and respect - as long as no respect or delicacy is sacrificed for recruitment - going back to "you are in your ass again", "get the fuck out" etc ..

> I usually am not a “law of attraction” type of
> person, but her story scared me a bit.
> In case there is some truth to that, imagine what
> we do to oursleves by repeating every day:
> “I deserve much worse. I am the most fallen.”....

This is only part of the system of manipulation, creation, etc. Maintaining the stability of the group.

> If they are happy living in fear, secrecy and
> partialities, callousness between each other, this
> is where they stand.

Both eyes and ears open...

> My observation with SoI is that they push most
> people to become the Sudra type.

Truth. The Bhagavad Gita speaks of the need to know both natures thoroughly. Spiritual and material. As I described earlier, the SIF showed signs of neglecting material knowledge. Without work, the body cannot survive. And you need to know anything to work and earn money.

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