> Dear DaWatcher
> With regret I believe there is no room on this
> blog for differing opinions and respectful
> dialogue. Posts over the last few days convince me
> of that. People may be in pain, I understand but
> all the more reason to be kind and polite to
> others and their shattered lives. The forum will
> never reach its goal of shedding light on the
> Chris Butler cult. If the members think they own
> the narrative and continue to shout down, or deny
> others their point of view. It was great to
> connect with you, you made it easier to come to
> terms with this big change in my life. Good luck
Thank you for your kind words, it was nice to discuss with you. And thank you for valuable information.
What unites us here, regardless of our further attitude towards Vaisnava philosophy or religion in general, is deep - certainly for me - controversy related to SIF, experiences, etc. It's good that this forum thread was created - this is not a coincidence.
I wish you all the best, but I think it is ahead of you.
From my point of view, I understand aversion to worship and a tendency more battleful than cool objectivity.And it is a miracle that boys from the Philippine school subjected to such pressure and separation from their parents are able to function at all. The cult has integrally built-in hypocrisy and denial.
Rama Ranson - thank you for courage. Someone had to start.
> You are trying to point out some trivial
> differences in the way he preaches or some
> specific Temple of his that is teaching Yoga Nidra
> or something like that. I am trying to point out
> that the very core belief system that they have is
> flawed and often leads to much confusion in the
> minds of the practitioners.
The subject of Yoga Nidra from my point of view is important and related to the potential mental disorders that this rigor can cause. Like naimittika dharma, as a rigor built for people with a dominant mode of ignorance or even specialized for drug addicts in people with a dominance of satva guna, it can cause a number of harmful effects and there are symptoms.
Anyway: another examples:
> Tulsi. Be it ISKCON or Gaudiya Math, or other
> offshoot groups of these two, they are likely oh
> political supporters of hers. Inadvertently, that
> makes them supporters of Chris Butler. They are
> either giving money or vocal political support for
> her. This makes them complicit in Chris Butler's
> schemes and agendas. That is not a loose
> connection, that is a very linear and straight
> forward connection.
As for the Gaudiya Math, this is a federation of temples.
Tulsi Gabbard and Gaudiya Math? This is politics. As far as I know and confirmed by materials on the internet, in 2010 Mr. Midget accused unidentified members of one of Gaudiy Math's the federation in general, which was reprimanded. His words have been cited and are still present on the internet today.
In Poland, Gaudiya Math was publicly thrown into one bag, i.e. leaders from the USA present it as an organization reluctant to SIF.
. One of the former dead members of SIF Poland protested against it.
And if Mr. Midget is uncomfortable with this, or for the people supporting him - it will be reminded. As long as there is an attempt to repress or there will be no public apology.
I have never seen any effort to talk to people about suicide of Kasia S. I also remember.
Or what to even mention such misconceptions like that:
"Jagad Guru Chris Butler Fans"
Fans? Guru is not an idol. Cannot have fans. But as you can see - no one have problem with that.
Edited 7 time(s). Last edit at 12/18/2019 02:41AM by DaWatcher.