"Chris Butler is 100% responsible for the death of Sri Shim, wether this was the unintentional outcome of the extremely dangerous behaviour that Chris Butler's loyal disciples like Sai Hansen had been instructed by their master to conduct."

AS MUCH AS I THINK THAT BUTLER IS A FALSE AND MISGUIDED CULT LEADER ...
I DO NOT THINK THAT HE CAN CONTROL ALL THE INDIVIDUAL BEHAVIORS OF EVERY BRAINWASH DISCIPLES THAT FALLOW HIM ....NO MORE THAN BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI COULD CONTROL BUTLER OR THE HUNDREDS OF HARE KRISHNA FOLLOWERS THAT HE HAD .

WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT SAI HENSEN MIGHT HAVE TAKEN THE BOAT WITHOUT PERMISSION ....IT WAS IN HIS NAME AFTER ALL .(EVEN IF HE NO PERMIT TO RUN A BOAT ) CHRIS BUTLER DID NOT BECOME RICH AND ESTABLISH IN HAWAII BY NEGLECTING PAPER WORKS ...HE AS MAINTAIN MANY MANY NON PROFIT ORGANISATIONS WORLDWIDE
AND THAT TAKES A LOT OF PAPERWORK AND OVERSIGHTS ...I JUST DO NOT THINK HE WOULD HAVE PUT HIS WHOLE KINGDOM IN JEOPARDY WITH A TULSI IN CONGRESS TO PERSUE A DIVER IN THE GENERAL AREA IN FRONT OF HIS SECONDARY HOME.

WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT SRI SHIM DID NOT USE FLAGS TO INDICATE THAT HE WAS DIVING AT A CERTAIN SPOT (THAT WAS A BIG MISTAKE ON HIS PART ) THAT SURELY WILL COME UP AT THE UPCOMING TRIAL )

I THINK IT IS VERY UNLIKELY THAT SAI HANSEN WOULD DELIBERATLY
RUN IS MOTOR BLADES OVER ANOTHER HUMAN BEING (WITH HIS DAUGHTER ON BOARD )

MY POINT HERE IS THAT WE HAVE AS A COMMUNITY TRYING TO EXPOSE A CULT AND A CULT LEADER ....MUST NOT SOUND IRRESPONSABLE IN OUR ACCUSATIONS.

THERE IS NO WAY THAT A CULT LEADER CAN CONTROL EVERY ACTIONS AND BEHAVIORS OF A THOUSANDS OF HIS FOLLOWERS ...ITS JUST COMMON SENSES .

Even if the death were unintentional, Chris Butler is totally responsible.

100%

Maybe the death was absolutely intentional, the young girl's involvement completely scripted and Chris Butler did it because he knew it would be considered an accident.

It will, too, due to the fact of it happening in the ocean, struck by a boat and under the jurisdiction of the DLNR, who Chris Butler knew always look the other way on anything involving his followers driving his boat around.

They had 10 or more years of knowing full well that they could do whatever they wanted in that boat without consequence, and at some point they realized that IF they wanted to kill some offensive demons, doing it by boat, in the water and under the DLNR was by far an easy murder to get away with.

Just imagine how it would have played out if we never got involved. It would have successfully equated to the minor infraction issued by the DLNR.

The case was only picked up by state prosecutors due to massive outrage on the grass roots community level and pressure behind the scenes.

Sai Hansen very nearly walked away from killing a man with a minor ticket unrelated to the death and injury.

The perceived risk was low, so they tried it.

Chris Butler owns people in the government. Specifically Mike Gabbard at the DLNR and the waters of Oahu are the only place on planet earth where Chris Butler has political influence to feel like he controls the government. He may have wanted to kill while he had the man on the inside, Mike Gabbard. This whole thing may have been openly discussed with Mike Gabbard before it happened.

Sri Shim and Trey Albrecht may have been diving too close to hidden valuables stored in the reef, locals had reported seeing Wai Lana diving from that boat with satchels in her hand, returning to the surface without the satchel, apparently hiding valuables down in the reef. This was reported to me by a local who grew up there, and had watched Wai Lana, Chris Butler and other cult members use this boat for many years, going back over a decade.

I wont argue with you Rama ...but from what I read at the time of the accident is that there was no flags by Sri Shim
the only flag recovered belong to another person...not Sri Shim the report that I read noted ...Yes there was a kayak ...but they where diving many yards from the kayak .I do not have the quote ....if you have one to the contrary it be nice to see it.

For sure you know much more than me the level of control and brainwashing going on in Kailua ...for me specific expose on specific actions of the cult is more convincing ...if we back it up with proof.
Members of congress that might have seen my latest video on Tulsi Gabbard ...now more than 700 views ....should be offer specifics ...
Check this flag things ..its important to me anyway
And you know what I think of the asshole anyway .

That dreaded term: “On Site”

Seceretly NO ONE wanted to be on site--it was draconian by any definition.
24-7 at Butler’s beck and call and no one knew when he would explode over some trivial or nonsensical thing.
Only the most slavish of devbots actually want to be near Butler- and it should be
noted in the past- most of those were the females- no surprise there.
But now those females have given birth to a new generation- who are now the 24-7 servants of Butler- and make no mistake- they do serve.

One has to hand it to Butler- at what point did he realize that he could control the women, get them to marry and then make sure their babies would be raised to worship him? Then, 17-18 years later, more new babies being bred and trained to serve and worship him?
What a scam, especially for a man who once stated he would rather be dead than have to work for a living.
Do you know what they did (and may be still doing) to two generations of babies?

Every night they get slapped into headphones and have to listen to the Butler tapes...every stinking night...year after year...


When you are “on site"
....no one can hear you scream....

Hamlet:
What a piece of work is a man, how noble in reason, how
infinite in faculties, in form and moving how express and
admirable, in action how like an angel, in apprehension how like
a god! the beauty of the world, the paragon of animals—and yet,
to me, what is this quintessence of dust?



Humans are amazing.

This is what Jagad Screwball and the Science of Nonsensity is so fucking retarded about. They see humans as pests. Their fixation on being morally superior to others is irritating. Subjecting the followers especially the children to this duplicitous, superficial and morally bankrupt form of spirituality is probably their number one guilt against society.

If you suppress information, if you suppress debate and if you suppress the ability to question things and the faculty to think, you have no business of being a teacher in whatever shape or form. Teachers are facilitators of truth, and the best method of finding the truth is through Dialectic. Charlatans, the likes of Jagad Screwball are purveyors of nonsense, and parents should avoid them by all means if they love their children and are true parents.

Vera wrote:
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Author, Jon Rappoport

I’m not trying to discourage any and every group response—but I am saying, without question, that every major covert op is played to eradicate the idea of the individual. This is basic mind control. This is the reason mind control exists: to elevate “group” over “individual.”

Mind control tries to make individuals think of themselves as helpless pieces on the chessboard.

Mind control tries to make individuals surrender their free will.

Mind control tries to make individuals believe they have no place in the modern world.
Rather, they must be part of a group; otherwise, they’re invisible.


With all said and done about cults, in the end, a cult is a game people play, where the guru set up the rules and joiners enjoy the make-believe, inadvertently subjecting themselves into the trappings of mind-control. It’s one thing for the guru to say something seemingly true like we are not the body or God is love, but to further push the envelope to as asinine as gays are unnatural and therefore evil. No one in the crowd would raise a hand and say, “wait a sec …”. Because that’s not part of the game. People around will say “oh, come on …”. Everyone understood. If someone suggest “will somebody throw this guy out …”, someone will literally do, because as simple and as normal is it to question in the real world, it is not so in a cult – it’s a bummer to question the guru. He’s spoiling the game everyone enjoys.

There is no “bullet-proofed” dogma, and cult followers know that. They just believe it, and that’s it. No amount of reason will dissuade them from not believing, because it’s based on the deep-seeded need to believe in something, no matter how ridiculous that belief can be. They will avoid debate, and they will avoid uncontrolled environment. That’s why they have safehouses or lifestyle centers where everyone submits to a vulnerable or suggestible state, where everyone agrees and is not conducive to questioning things. It’s all a game and everyone in it enjoys playing it.

What makes a cult is really the core followers. They become the culture that everyone percolates around. Like a locust swarm where collectively you become one creature, and you can’t slow down, if you do, you become a lunch to the one behind you.

I hope the young ones will realize that the whole setup is in itself the art of mind-control. The social pressure, the fun and games, the support system and the dogma everyone lives by. This game they play is not just so outdated, all that gives is false fun, false hope, false modesty and false spirituality.


The world has taken a much wider perspective of ourselves as a species and the Universe we live in. It’s insane that there are still uninformed charlatans like Jagad Screwball still pontificating discredited, and bankrupt religious ideology and people still believe. That is sooooo 1970s. While we live in the most awesome time ever, in the history of mankind there are still children out there that are under the spell of mind-control, deprived of their true potentials and intellectual freedom. This is the wrongest time to be in a cult, period.

Chris "White Ball" Butler learned the guru business from Srila Prabhupada,
creator of International Society for Krishna Consciousness.

Prabhupada was in a small sect of Krishna devotees which originated within
16th to 17th century Bengal, in India.

The older Indian religions originated in Indian societies which had no
concept of inherent dignity of the ordinary human person.

In India, identity comes from membership in a family, period.

To support your family, especially if you are an oldest son, made responsible for care of elderly parents, elderly relatives, marriage money for one's sisters, one is under terrible pressure. What you do to persons outside your family and caste is justified if what you do supports the family.

Suketu Mehta, in his book, Maximum City :Bombay Lost and Found, tells us
what is expected of young men in this culture - where your place in your family defines you. Mehta tells us how young men who are educated and who cannot
find remunerative jobs join mafia groups and murder for hire.

Prabhupada would have put his own family of origin first. Western converts would, for him, have remained melenccha. Barbarians.

This pattern which Professor Steven Dutch terms "thar" shows up again and again in poor areas of the world, especially where there has been social and cultural isolation.

There was no concept of the human individual. In Hinduism your identity came from both your family and your location in the caste/outcaste or tribal categories and which part of the subcontinent you were born in.

For example, persons born in Bihar, who speak with a Bihari accent are discriminated against when they move to large cities to find better jobs.

If Muslim, there was more sense of being a person standing before Allah, accountable for practicing the sharia and the pillars of Islam. However, even Muslims became
stratified into classes. One grinding source of annoyance was that Muslims from Arabia automatically enjoyed status denied to Muslims born in the conquered territories.

Pakistan, an Indo Muslim country is tormented by class divisions that are as
harsh as any caste system in India. If you are born into a kanjari (sex worker family), you are trapped in that for the rest of your life.

To learn more, get and read The Dancing Girls of Lahore.

And both Hinduisms and Buddhism taught that the sensory world was illusion and to be transcended if one was to be liberated.

By contrast, during the 4th to 5th centuries BCE, the Greeks, who regarded the sensory world as a gift of the gods, departure from that world through death to be regrettable, and that participation in human society the route to full human potential (if you were able to be a free male and not a slave or resident alien).

For contrast with India go read a few bits from Herodotus, a Greek who was led by curiosity to learn all he could of the cultures surrounding Greece.

Even where Herodotus' stories may not be factual, those stories teem with
the names of ordinary people. Herodotus will give us the name and locale of a man who crafted a gold cup or statue that was presented to a temple, or give the name of an ordinary man or woman who finds a way to trick a powerful foe and serve his or her community.

And in the Hebrew Scriptures, stories which are the source of proverbs and literary themes that undergird Anglo-American culture, those stories tell of human persons, their hopes, their loves, their crimes and follies and describes those
human beings as bargaining with God to save their people from destruction.

The Buddhist and Hindu scriptures gives miracles and god figures out of all proportion to human beings -- it is on a comic book scale.

In Exodus, the Israelites, liberated from Egypt, bitch about how boring the desert food is and want to return to the delicious fast food available to them during the slave days.

Prophets inform the wealthy and powerful that they owe something to the less fortunate.

You are reminded to remember the stranger, for once you were slaves.

In Hinduism there was nothing like this. Loyalty went only to your caste.

Closed Societies, Open Societies

[www.encyclopedia.com]

Open societies do not expect perfection and monitor for unintended consequences.
They are capable of self critique and self correction - though of course, vested interests grown wealthy upon a injurious social situation will hamper attempts at
self correction - such tobacco companies which make vast sums selling poison to human beings.

Cults inculcate that same closed society mentality today. We, the taxpayers of open societies, subsidize this vile situation.

Compare Krishna the chariot driver, telling Arjuna to kill his beloved teachers and relatives so as to fulfill his dharma duty. All he has are Disneyland special effects that stun and shock Arjuna's mature mind into submission. All that Arjuna has is verbal trickery and verbal bullying, no better than the worst demagogues who have dragged the human family into the mire.

Now, let us look at Athens, and hear what its citizens, male and female, listened
to at the theatre.

What a reminder to those of us who are citizens in a participatory democracy.

But, we have learned that we have an added responsibility.

Our earth is not inexhaustible and oceans are not inexhaustible and require our
loving care.

Here the human condition and civil society are regarded as wonders, privileges,
not as something inferior. Participatory democracy is regarded as an
achievement, not as something preferred by inferior ego ridden Westerners.

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Antigone - The Chorus

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CHORUS: [Strophe 1]
Numberless are the world’s wonders, but none
More wonderful than man; the stormgray sea
Yields to his prows, the huge crests bear him high;

Earth, holy and inexhaustible, is graven
With shining furrows where his plows have gone
Year after year, the timeless labor of stallions.
[Antistrope 1]
The lightboned birds and beasts that cling to cover, 285
The lithe fish lighting their reaches of dim water,
All are taken, tamed in the net of his mind;
The lion on the hill, the wild horse windy-maned,
Resign to him; and his blunt yoke has broken
The sultry shoulders of the mountain bull.

[Strophe 2]
Words also, ant thought as rapid as air, 290
He fashions to his good use; statecraft is his,
And his the skill that deflect the arrows of snow,
The spears of winter rain: from every wind
He has made himself secure––from all but one:
In the late wind of death he cannot stand.

[Antistrophe 2]
O clear intelligence, force beyond all measure! 295
O fate of man, working both good and evil!
When the laws are kept, how proudly his city stands!
When the laws are broken, what of his city then?
Never may the anarchic man find rest at my hearth,
Never be it said that my thoughts are his thoughts.

Now, look at what Srila Prabhupada, had to say about democracy.

Prabhupada taught Chris Butler the guru business.

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(Corboy: Prabhupada accumulated tax exempt wealth thanks to democracies. He n benefited from democracies which allowed him
entry visas, residence visas, protected him while there and granted him something that Prabhupada would not permit in an ideal 'Vedic' kingdom -- free speech
which dissents from the values of the society granting him not just safety but hospitality.)

What is the value of this democracy? All fools and rascals!

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By His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktived?nta Swami Prabhup?da

hiranyakasipu-prahlad

The king’s duty is, as representative of Krishna, to make every citizen Krishna conscious. Then he is doing nice duty. And because the monarchs did not do so – therefore now monarchy is abolished everywhere. So again the monarchs, where there is monarchy, little, at least show of monarchy, just like here in England there is, actually if the monarch becomes Krishna conscious, actually becomes representative of Krishna, then the whole face of the kingdom will change. That is required.

Our Krishna consciousness movement is for that purpose. We don’t very much like this so-called democracy. What is the value of this democracy? All fools and rascals! They vote for another fool and rascal, and he becomes prime minister, or this or that. Just like in so many cases. That is not good for the people. We are not for this so-called democracy because they are not trained. If the king is trained… That was the system of monarchy. Just like Yudhisthira Maharaja or Arjuna or anyone. All the kings. were called r?jarshi.

Raja, king means, he is not only king. He is a great rishi, saintly person, just like Maharaja Yudhisthira or Arjuna. They’re saintly persons. They are not ordinary, like this drunkard king, that “I have got so much money. Let me drink and let there be dancing of the prostitute.” Not like that. They were rishi. Although they were king, they were rishis. That kind of king wanted, r?jarshi.

Then people will be happy.

In Bengali there is a proverb, r?j?ra p?pe r?ja nasta grhin? doshe grhastha bhrashta (?). In grhastha life, in household life, if the wife if the wife is not good, then nobody will be happy in that home. Similarly, in a kingdom, if the king is impious, then everyone will suffer. This is the problem.

[London July 24, 1973 Bg. 1.31]

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Bernie sanders as been winning and winning delegates lately
and Tulsi is right in the team supporting Sanders .
I wonder if Butler is telling Tulsi ...tell Bernie this ...and tell Bernie that
tell him to do that move ....just wondering how JAGAT GURU is playing that game
If Bernie get the nomination ....there will be a big reward for the BUTLER TULSI
team ....He as been dreaming all his life to influence politicians at the highest level ..its happening

My wife & I have been working for Bernie; phoning & canvassing as well as donating more than we can really afford.
Any time I hear a campaign worker mention Gabbard, I get their email address and send them [www.youtube.com] as well as selected postings from this forum.
I would advise others involved in support of the Sanders campaign to do the same.
Sometimes I wish the culteducation forum were a little more succinct in its tratment of the Gabbards, but that's okay. I'm glad the information is here and available.