I would repeat HDM's well founded suggestion. Anyone claiming to act as a doctor, physician or medical expert can be investigated. If they regularly offer a medical diagnosis or suggest medication, or changes to a medical prescription, then this is further cause for concern.

I suggest that we find the person who's job is to investigate this area in The UK. As with Detective Inspector Watling ( +44 (0)20 8246 0128 ), an independent authority needs to compile detailed information.

We arrive at justice through these methods. We need to compile clear evidence so that claims of abuse can be assessed through the correct, official channels.

Re. efficacy of treatment at Christopher Hansard's clinic. As I understand, ALL the practitioners working in the clinic had independent, verifiable training in some form of medical practice (orthodox or alternative). Therefore it would seem that the patients were all being treated by people with genuine intention to study and heal (at the very least).

Let us not get side tracked by whether or not the treatments 'worked'. You can have the same discussion about most GPs, physios, surgeons etc.... . Some patients reported benefit, others did not. It is not yet possible to verify the nature of Christopher Hansard's training, but everyone else at the clinic would have their own qualifications and insurance. I imagine, therefore, that patients were being treated responsibly by all those practitioners.

By sticking to facts we can discern the true situation.

The human mind is indeed a complex and powerful force. 'Placebo', for example, is just the ability of the mind to help cure the bodyand this is an aspect of medicine. We are all aware of hypnosis, psychotherapy and other techniques that attempt to use the power of the mind.

Anyone who can effectively induce a positive effect in others is a healer. To induce fear or confusion is the sinister flip side of this phenomenon.

We will probably not get much further with claim and counter claim about subjective experience. Solid evidence, testimonials and hard facts presented to recognised, independent authorities is the way forward for all those seeking a just and fair resolution.

I would re-iterate what atlantic has said. The police would be very interested, as I think there is something known as 'Offences under the Medical Act'. This would incorporate the diagnosis of disease, such as lesions and 'ME' and altering prescribed medication without the knowledge of the patient's GP or specialist without being a registered medical practitioner with the GMC -General Medical Council.

Sounds like Hansard has been doing this.

Did and does this guy also have delusions of grandeur? It is just that the one and only time I went to see him, he asked me to make an appointment after the initial consultation and told me that he would not be treating me most of the time - this would be left to his assistants, as he called them, because he was frequently called away to hospitals. He said that he was often called away to large hospital A and E departments in the surrounding area to see patients and also to consult with doctors regarding patients and also to teach doctors and medical students?

Anyone care to comment, as I would be interested to know?

Gondolf, your adamantine reluctance, to simply state you support legal action against Christopher Hansard, is very interesting.

Mariah and Pema,
I can't send a personal email as I have not posted 10 messages.
Pema, I wasn't referring to you specifically in my last posting.
As stated earlier, I feel that Jeff is making a valuable contribution to this discussion.
Regards,
L.

Cranial,

It is all rubbish. I never knew of him go to a hospital or teach doctors or medical students. It was a push to get him to teach us and we right under his nose treating his patients!

He has huge delusions of grandeur. He is delusional. He is a compulsive liar.

He was very absent from the clinic and usually because he was 'ill'.

Thanks you everyone who has contributed insightful, compassionate, mature material in this thread which I started last November. My sole, transparent oft-stated purpose was to prevent Christopher Hansard from ever being able to operate as a medical practitioner again. My vehicle for doing this (transparent and oft-stated) is journalism. That is my craft. Its my skill and my livlihood. I have never had any other agenda and nor will I.
Jeff Bowe turned nasty some time after initially being a useful contributor to this forum. The result of this is that people I hoped would talk to me about their experiences with Hansard have been frightened off. I am not willing to pursue this any further.
Once again thanks.
Salaams, good wishes.
Pema

To Any Canadian-Based Contributors/Viewers of this Forum

As part of my efforts to research and expose Christopher Hansard's 'Dur-Bon' fantasy I have over the past year been informing a considerable number of 'First People's'; organizations, chiefs, and individuals, about the fraudulent and explotative nature of Mr.Hansard's claims and activities.

Perhaps you may be aware that he was active in the Vancover and Alberta regions, peddling his quasi-shamanistic twaddle as a genuine native tradition. In so doing not only did Christopher Hansard exploit and plagiarize Tibetan culture, but cynically deceived native peoples of Canada. He was it seems greatly aided in this regard by a Mr.Steve Lawson (aka Medicine Man), and Ms. Susanne Hare (aka Island Mama), both of whom, rather ironically work with the First Nations Environmental Network (FNEN). They apparantly assisted in the promotion, publicity and organized a number of 'events'.

There are some serious questions to be asked of these individuals.

They can be contacted at the following:

[b:9b0a16273e]Mr.Steve Lawson wolf@lincsat.com[/b:9b0a16273e]

[b:9b0a16273e]Susanne Hare wolf@lincsat.com or councilfire@hotmail.com[/b:9b0a16273e]

Another active acolyte of Christopher Hansard was radio presenter and 'poet' Mr. Paul Nelson

[b:9b0a16273e]Mr.Paul Nelson pen@splab.org[/b:9b0a16273e]

Any assistance to expose further Christopher Hansard's Canadian deceptions most welcome.

I ask again, let us stop any unnecessary in-fighting and focus on clear measures to see a just resolution.

Pema, I understand. Please know that there are many people who are not frightened. Accounts of abuse are now being presented to the police.