> Well, some have said that in Hindu, Jain and
> Buddhist India the reason to seek nondual
> realization is not to engage more deeply in life
> and the human condition.
I can only speak for Vedanta, traditional vedanta. Vedanta is not about not engaging more deeply in life. What actually happens for the enlightened person, is that they able to carry on even more fully in life than before. Scripture specifically advises jnani, enlightened people to carry on their duties, roles and responsibilities.
> Life is not seen as the medium through which a
> loving creating God delights in and seeks to share
> our grief, our hope, our delight.
Vedanta teaches that all namo rupa, name and form, is name and form of Isvara. We can use the term god here. Since god is all that is sharing, grief, hope and delight are all god itself. So it;s not that god diesnt seeks to share any of these thngs, its that all these things are Isvara, as ISvara, god, is all that is.. So ISvara doesnt share with ISvara. This knowledge takes away seperation and difference. It is the vision of vedanta, advaita. Non duality, i guess it can be called. While still seeing the ultilty of dvaita, duality.
There is a very famous equation in vedanta. It is called a mahavakya. 'Mahavakya's is sanskrit for great comtemplation. One is Tat Tvam Asi. Which means you are that. Human is Isvara. All that ones sees is Isvara.
> In the Hindu, Jain and Buddhist systems life, the
> endless cycle of births, craving, death, rebirth
> is regarded as manufacturing suffering.
> Life is a rat race of craving and suffering and
> the seeker after nondual realization wants out.
It is self evident that there is existential angst for humans. The very perceived need for objects outside of oneself, that are beyond what the human organism actually needs to survive, and the emotional and mental unrest when they dont have them, shows this.
What is also self evident is that humanity has a myriad of platforms that present a salve for this.
> IMO rigorous adherance to an undiluted doctrine of
> nondual quest is a departure from the world of
> craving. Its no accident that practioners and
> seekers were expected to live and behave like more
This is not accurate in regard to traditional vedanta. There are many texts that support the validity of householders. In fact, the ancient Rishis were mainly householders themselves. Vedanta is not for monks. Vedanta is for the whole world, as it belongs to everyone. Monks, teachers in general, merely have a responsibility to teach others. mostly non monks. It's not a conversion type of process. in fact, there is a strong traditional of teachers who remain householders and go back to their lives.
It is very easy to walk away from everything in society and be a monk, yet scripture that is focused on people in worldly life is immense. Arjuna in Bhagavad Gita is one. Another is Shankara speaking in Bhaja Goivindham. Shankara explicitly teaches about the myriad of roles. They are put into perspective just.
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