One thing to keep in mind about this Ericksonian hypnotherapy stuff, is that a "story" about hypnotherapy, even coming from Erickson, is a "Teaching Tale", not a fact.
So there may have been a golfer, there may not even have been a golfer.
Sometimes a story like that is used as an indirect trance induction story...
as in telling a client that golfer story, and the real message is to the guy in front of you to help concentrate his own mind.
The best results come from indirect stories. The stories are carefully crafted metaphors, in every case, even when autobiographical. Again, the difference here is INTENT and SKILL. Erickson was a licensed MD doing therapy, and you were paying him to do this in person, and there was a license on the wall saying he was doing hypnosis. That's why people were there! To get hypnotized!
Ironically, he often did just behavioral therapy without any hypnosis, like some of the activities assigned, climb a hill, do some gardening etc. He was a maverick.
Not like these maniacs like Byron Katie, etc, running around telling "stories", and pretending they are not doing anything. And as far as the students of Erickson, I take it all with a truckload of salt, especially when they start "interpreting" what Erickson was supposedly really doing, like linking it to their own interests.
I don't see any "Zen" in there at all. As far as Haley, I've read his books on Erickson, and none of it sounded as flakey as those quotes. As far as I know, Erickson had nothing to do with Zen, but he did get into all sorts of "trance" phenomena of indigenous peoples, and things like that.
He also deep very very deep trance work with Aldous Huxley, which is fascinating stuff to research.
But Erickson did THERAPY. Actual licensed therapy, trying to help people adjust to reality.
He was directive, and wanted people to get better, get a job, get married, have kids, and maybe send him an interesting carving.
Erickson's history is very open, he got polio at age 17, took a canoe trip, got his degrees, opened a practice, had kids, etc. His "Uncommon Therapy" was somewhat intuitive, and based on his own observations.
Some of his "therapy assignments" were behavioral, just based on horse sense. Like telling a depressed older lady to raise and give away flowers to church members. By raising flowers, and giving them away, she was busy, and socially connected. Problem solved, no therapy, no hypnosis. Just a new behavior.
So sadly, seems to me, Erickson is horribly misunderstood.
Again, just want to put that in here. He was a maverick THERAPIST, and a bunch of people read those books about him, and have tried to copy his methods, and apply it to SALES and persuasion.
Having studied his work for years, and read autobiographies, etc, he should not be connected with all of these quacks and nutjobs and crooks, and fake zen priests, etc.
Its a shame he is connected, by how they have taken a small part of what he did, and abuse those patterns.
but once people learnd the basic verbal patterns, then they don't work on you.
This is why guys like Stever Robbins, and others, are such a bad joke. They promote Byron Katie, with full knowledge of what she's doing, and they also misdirect the public and clients, by not telling people what is going on. That is very sleazy.
Very very sleazy, and creepy. Its terribly creepy to do this to the mass public. Even on that NLP message board, many of those people wouldn't do it to the blind uninformed public. Some would, for the right price. Some do already.
Its truly perverse to deceive people, and pretend you are not misdirecting them..."for their own good".
Especially when they are being charged thousands and tens of thousands of dollars, and getting their minds messed with on such a deep level, by complete amateurs and hacks.
But hey, what do they care. Its the law of the jungle to them. They don't care if they take advantage of regular people who've never heard of any of this.
They really don't give a shit, believe me, from knowing people who've done this. Its too much money...making a few hundred grand or more in a week...people do a lot of crazy stuff for that kind of money.
I found out the quotes about the golfer are not from Zeig. Zeig met Erickson in '73. They are actually from Jay Haley, Erickson's long-time student, who first introduced Erickson to the world. Haley wrote Uncommon Therapy: the psychiatric techniques of Milton H. Erickson in 1973 and spoke at the First International Congress on Ericksonian Approaches in 1980. Erickson died shortly before the conference which was to be held in his honor.
I wouldn't necessarily think Haley had is own agenda although you are correct that it is possible. There was plenty of opportunity for Erickson to study zen and perhaps there was some influence to his therapy. Haley would not be the only person to find similarities between Erickson's method and Zen.
I can't find anything about Erickson learning Zen directly. His history is somewhat patchy. .
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/12/2009 05:58AM by The Anticult.