So Byron Katie's Work has infected the music industry, via her sadistic, egomaniacal son, Ross Robinson. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree I guess.Quote
Ross Robinson says he mostly uses Byron Katie's method when producing songs, so they are designed specifically in line with her philosophy. Even the title of the Korn album "Take a look in the mirror" is a Katie concept.
34 - The Rules & a New Religion
The Rules and a new Religion
Katie has often called The Work ‘check mate’.
Check mate means ‘no way out’, it is the end of the road. I can see why it is said that The Work would lead to this. Nowhere to go, no one to blame, nothing to point your finger at. It shows us how we have identified with the victim role. According to Katie, the victim is always violent.
There are certain ‘do’s’ and ‘don’ts’ within The Work.
One of the ‘don’ts’ is that you don’t defend, and you don’t clarify, justify or explain. Katie demonstrates this wonderfully on stage, or in the School. She will say, ‘if someone says I am terrible, I go in and find it, and it doesn’t take me very long’. This is wonderful when it is demonstrated for role modeling purposes.
Then there is The 3 kinds of business. The three kinds of business basically tell you to keep your nose out of other people’s business, and to stay present with yourself. It is said that whenever you feel uncomfortable, you are basically minding someone else’s business.
One of the other ‘don’ts’ is called Story. Within The Work circles, it has become a standard phrase to say to someone, You are in a story now. In the certification program there is a lot of emphasis on how to bring people out of their story back to The Work. Facilitators are being warned about not going into their clients story.
This is all great when it serves me to look at myself rather than at someone else, it is called ‘noticing a blind spot’. This is great when it helps me to see how I behave when I am identified with the victim role. This is great to detect hidden aggressive behavior or irrational belief systems.
I am noticing however, that it can also be used as a system of protection. Just take a look at the do’s and don’ts. Within the work circles you are already wrong by definition if you defend, explain or justify. With a lot of things you say, you can be questioned and trivialized with: Whose business are you in? or But that is just a story.
I would love to see The Work in its proper perspective. If it becomes the new religion, then it is inevitable that it would draw along with it all the symptoms I described earlier about institutionalization and control. This strikes me as unhealthy.
06 - The First European Tour
The tour was a great experience. Katie had brought along American friends, as well as her daughter and grandson. And we all fitted in the van, together with our luggage and traveling bookstore. She called it ‘Havanna White’. On the way we listened to Katie tapes and the Rolling Stones.
Destination: Germany, back to Holland, back to Germany, Switzerland, Portugal and back to Amsterdam again.
Sociology also helped me understand my entry into, and exit from, the new age. I was able to see that I left my new age career for the same reasons I entered it:
I was really concerned about the number of trauma survivors there, and how they were being confused and pandered to and marketed to, but not truly helped.
I saw too many untreated anxiety disorders and too many untreated depressive disorders, and too many untreated PTSD sufferers, and it just got to me. I couldn't ethically support what was going on.
And though I was a voice of dissent and I got pretty far in my years of writing and teaching, I realized that in my 30-plus years in the new age, I had seen no one get truly well. People acquired a better vocabulary for their pain, and they had more ways to soothe themselves than regular folks tend to have, but that was about it.
And while self-soothing is very important, I found that the new age made too many promises with no responsible research behind them. No money-back guarantees, and lots of blaming the victim if the promises don't deliver (you must have negative energy, you're not praying hard enough, it's your karma. Feh.) No checks and balances, no consumer protection agency ... unacceptable.
In response to my concerns about the ethical lapses and the many ways that the new age trains people (especially women) to be unquestioning, undiscerning, and totally pliant consumers, I've allowed all of the books and tapes I control through Laughing Tree Press to go out of print, and I'm in talks with my other publishers to do the same. I am just now reopening this website after years of silence. But I'm really pondering my next steps. I'm now writing a book about my unusual transition, but the intensity people have about their beliefs makes me queasy, and I don't want to be out there as an apostate flag waver, since the place I've come to in my thinking and in my studies doesn't really square up with anyone else's ideas.
I saw that pain when I was up on stage being the spiritual healer gal, or the empath. I don't even know how to describe it to you – the sorrow, and the fear, and the naked longing that I saw in people's faces. There was this aching hope that if they listened to me (or someone), or if I (or someone) looked at them in the right way, or if I (or someone) said the right things, or if I (or someone) wrote the right words, their pain would be suddenly healed and they would be able to breathe and live more easily. It was oppressive up on stage for me – to see all that, and to try to do something, anything ... to make it better for people. But while I could do a great deal just by being a highly empathic mensch, I can't fix a broken world and make everything all right, or make racism and sexism and classism and greed and stupidity and warmongering and abuse go away.
I think we can all create little sanctuaries for each other, and be as kind as we can while holding each other accountable, but the magic promises aren't changing anything for the better – they're only providing temporary relief from the pain. That's nice and all, but it's no solution.
And as I saw endlessly in the new age, dulling the pain only helps people learn to tolerate it. In so many cases, that pain relief actually stops people from changing things for the better, because they're so inundated with an endless, serial pelting of magical cures that they sort of forget to ask why they are in so much pain to begin with.
'The victim is always violent'--WTF???
Byron Katie made the comment:
"Victims are violent, violent people. Victims are freightened people and freightened people are dangerous."
arienariadne (wrote on Guruphiliac)
30th March 17:39 p.m.
I had read somewhere, before the school, that Katie would ask people to leave the school if she thought they were problematic. And she specifically stated that anyone caught marketing anything at all or were caught with weapons would be ejected immediately (and I saw no weapons, but a couple of people tried to sell me something). So I knew it was possible to rub The School folks wrong. Somehow, I intuited that you wouldn't have to go so far as marketing or having a weapon to get kicked out. It was Katie's "Family," after all, and she called the shots.