However, I have DEFINITELY come across these BK/ET ideas and principles in everyday life. I suppose they are part of the general mix of pop psychology in our culture, along with The Secret et al. What I find scary is that people actually believe it. They may not have taken the courses or read the books but the meme has gotten into their minds.
Typically, such groups are short lived, as small numbers of like-minded seekers gather round some common interest, or charismatic spiritual leaders, before moving on to explore some other area of the cultic milieu.
The term cultic milieu was coined by Colin Campbell to refer to a society's deviant belief systems and practices and their associated collectivities, institutions, individuals, and media of communication. He described it as including "the worlds of the occult and the magical, of spiritualism and psychic phenomena, of mysticism and new thought, of alien intelligences and lost civilizations, of faith healing and nature cure" (Campbell 1972:122), and it can be seen, more generally, to be the point at which *deviant science meets deviant religion*. What unifies these diverse elements, apart from a consciousness of their deviant status and an ensuing sense of common cause, is an overlapping communication structure of magazines, pamphlets, lectures, and informal meetings, together with the common ideology of seekership .
Spiegelogie’ and the ‘Fanclubspel’
Spiegelogie and the Fanclubspel were founded in the early nineties in the Netherlands by Willem de Ridder. He got his ideas mostly of Arnold Patent, who introduced the ‘Universal Principles’ and the ‘Mutual Supportgroups’ in America. From only advertising by word of mouth the existence of this play was spread in the Netherlands and also Belgium. The exact number of fanclubs are not known because everyone is free to start one. This free component, free to start one and no further costs, are pinpointed in every description of the Fanclubspel. There is no official institute where to register. However now a days there is a website from the ‘Support Network of the Netherlands’, a non-profit organisation, where people can find some contacts if they want to joy a fanclub. At a rough estimate there are about five hundred active fanclubs in the Netherlands and Belgium, with six up to then participants.
In 1999 “Het Handboek Spiegelogie” (“Manual for Spiegelogie”) was published. Willem de Ridder wrote this book first as a result of his discourses on Spiegelogie by several Dutch businesses. Reading the book is now one of the only requirements to join a fanclub, and one thing is for sure, 36.000 copies of the book are published since 1999. A listening book containing four cd’s is just been published. In his own storytelling way, Willem de Ridder tells about Spiegelogie, his experiences and new insights in what he calls the universal principles of life.
manual for Fanclubplay
“Spiegelogie” is a wordplay where the meaning of mirror, reflectivity and psychology are intertwined. The ‘other’ is in Spiegelogie seen as a mirror to become aware of and to reflect on the subjective self. The Fanclubspel is a practice or game, ‘spel’ is the Dutch word for play or game, where this mirroring principle is practiced and played with.
Yesterday, at 6:15, Anticult wrote referring to Janakis description of meeting BK
*(Note this is a quotation from an earlier post on RR.com. The material has since been taken down from the blog. The only transcripts available in public are the ones quoted here on RR.com.)
For example, in the Janaki blog, she had a chapter talking about how she first met BK.
First, she was contacted for recruitment by a BK insider from connections with Muktananda, and strongly influenced to go to a BK Workshop, and she said she did NOT want to go.
But they persisted, and got her to phone BK, under the ruse she would get an interview.
Then, she is told by BK she is getting an interview, and shows up, and its a "Workshop", which is a soul-surgery powerful LGAT seminar.
Meanwhile, obviously BK had collected information about her from her friend, and used her persuasion techniques on her to bring her into the organization.
Its the same pattern, using any means necessary, including outright deceit, to get them into the tent. Once they are in the tent, then its checkmate for certain people.
I took a look and the choreography of this set up is even more finely crafted than Anticult describes. First, I will give readers a chunk of text from Janakis own story.
I will break J's text into paragraphs and sentences so readers can see a step by step METHOD being applied.
If our own CIA had been this good, 9-11 might have been prevented
Katie and I have** a very close friend in common.
(** Note J's use of the present tense. Who is this friend?. C)
My friend and I were both part of Baba Muktananda’s staff in the late 70’s and early 80’s. After Muktananda died in 1982, I went back to Holland and my friend and I stayed in regular touch with each other.
(Meanwhile, it appears at some point, this mysterious friend became a BK recruiter--C)
In 1995 he told me the story of a woman he had heard about. He told me that she was from a desert town in California, and once when she was sleeping on the floor of an attic room, a cockroach crawled over her foot. When she woke up, she was everything and nothing at the same time. He told me that it reminded him of the state described in Kashmir Shaivism, that Baba always used to talk about.
1 (1995 is one year before publication of Cry in the Desert. But BK has already got outreacher working on her behalf and they are patient in thier methods, as we are about to see. Its now 13 years after Muk has died. So in this intervening time, some connection has been made between persons in SY and BK.)
2 (Note: If you go to discussions by former SY people, may report being haunted and mystified by the intense experiences they had. Some have likened this to the cravings suffered long term by recovering addicts. And...many of them did not know that Muk had been friends with Werner Erhard and had used methods from EST in the Siddha yoga intensives. This is described in the AOL discussions of SY-C. So J's friend would know that a fellow devotee would have had longings Corboy)
I remember him telling me this story, and that I failed to see the point of the cockroach.
About a year later, 1996 I was on the phone with him again.
(Note, a year later BK was already in Holland in 1996, scheduled to do a workshop. And here is Janaki, in Holland. This means that even as early as 1996, the year she'd published Cry in the Desert, BK was already doing a workshop outside of the US, in a foreign country--the Netherlands. So..as early as 1996 she'd learned the skills needed to attract people able to afford such a trip, found a way to arrange some packaged accommodation in a hotel, get herself there ahead of time so she would not be jet lagged, etc. C)
He asked if I remembered him telling me about the lady with the cockroach.
?*(He asked J if she remembered. Was he testing to see if some sort of story driven trance induction had 'taken'? Corboy)
He told me that she was in Amsterdam, right as we spoke.
He said her name was Byron Katie and I should go and see her and take part in the workshop she was offering.
I told him that I never went to workshops of any kind, that my Guru was enough for me, even after his death, and the only exception I had made to this rule was a workshop by my dear friend, Willem de Ridder.
He kept insisting.
(Did he use Yes-Set? Corboy)
When I asked him what happened in her workshops, he told me she would ask you to judge someone.Quote
It became even less appealing after his description, but I said that I could call her, and ask if she would be interested in doing a tv interview with Willem for a local television talk show.
(So here's the lure. Janaki, bereaved from Muktananda's death, is feeling loyal to her Dutch teacher, Willem de Ridder. So, what more natural than to arrange an interview between her teacher and her friend's teacher--BK? Janaki divulges Willem's name and this enables the BK recruiter to incorporate Willem's image into the recruitment process, using him as a transitional object to switch Janaki from Willem's orbit, to get her to step into BK's parlor--for an 'interview'--which turns out to be a workshop. . Corboy
So I called her on the phone. She sounded sweet. She said she would love to do the interview and asked if I would come the next day to play*, and I agreed.
**(Note in this transcript the use of the world 'come the next day to play'--in de Ridder's system 'play' has a significant meaning. BK uses the term 'Work'.)
(Shed love to do the interview--which turned out to be a workshop--Corboy)
When I got to the house in Amsterdam, I found myself in someone’s living room with about 20 people I didn’t know and didn’t want to know
I realized that I had come to the workshop after all.
(And Janaki did not feel lied to. She'd have had to question a valued friendship in order to face that this friend, who was a remaining link to her dead guru Muktananda, whom she still missed and mourned had lied to her and exploited the name of her current teacher, Willem, by coming up with the ruse of having Janaki make a personal visit to a BK workshop thinking its to be merely an arrangment to calender an interview between BK and Willem de Ritter.)
I was just coming out of a period of a severe depression, and socializing wasn’t my strong point in those days.
Later on, after Janaki was lured to this workshop, in 1998, there was an inteview of UG Krishnamurti, a renowned 'anti guru' that was conducted by both BK and Willem de Ridder.
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This would have been a valuable way for BK to transition away from the woman christ in the desert figure she'd been in Cry in the Desert, toward the sorta nondual teacher image she re-crafted by 1998.
And a great way to get derivative legitimacy is to associate oneself with teachers already established, such as Willem de Ridder, use a person like Janaki to gain access to such teachers, then use a connection with Willem to then access someone like UG Krisnamurti, who shared a surname with the very much more famous Jiddu Krishnamurti.
my mother(she is approaching 60, I am in my late twenties) is planning on flying to a BK 9day school in a few days and i am uncertain of what to do.
She is into BK since almost 1.5 years now doing worksheets and so on every now and then.
After seeing the book more than a year ago I did not think it was a big deal. Just some new age stuff with a way to simplified view. And I thought she would move on soon.
The announcement two days ago hit me by complete surprise...i was shocked.
And because of that I was unable to ask her the right questions. I asked mostly about logistics (when, where, how, with whom).
I did however ask twice about why she would want to make that trip and her response was “i just want to meet her(BK) once.”.
I felt that this was not the real or whole reason but I did not try to dig deeper.
Since then I did some reading(mostly in this thread and the BK participants reports + BK strong concern threads) and I am now deeply worried .
Since she waited until it was essentially to late to cancel(took free, time, got plane tickets, entry fee nonrefundable) to tell me I don't think I can bring her to not go; but my goal would be to prepare her a best as possible.
My fear however is that she might block me for thinking I am “against her” or “closed minded like all the rest”.
Another concern of mine is that if I tell her that this and that(like no contact to families ) will happen and in reality does not happen she will think “well that was all lies its all good here” an believe everything there.
How should I approach this(if at all) and should my brother come to?
If she is listening to me is it best to try to not make her go or just to educate her?
Thanks for your answers and please excuse my poor english.
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