there seems to be a few people on here who are kind and caring and seem to want to help, and then there are others...
'helpme2times'....you seem to be in the 'others' category. I don't enjoy your attacks. i don't enjoy your quoting me, i don't enjoy my 'name' in 'quotes' and then have an attack or a dig follow. if this is what this forum is about, and it seems to be, then i am very sorry i even wrote on here, because it seems to have fueled more fire to attack with.
Do you all feel better by attacking Byron Katie or Ekhart Tolle or others? Does it make you feel better about yourselves? I can't imagine how it would, but maybe in some warped world it might. You are right, splash. I have stayed off this forum because it wasn't a kind place. And you are also right in that i have been having to deal with so much pain right now, you can't even imagine; i wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. So, if Byron Katie's method of inquiry happens to be the only thing that brings me peace in my heart, some of you DARE to shoot that down and destroy it??? What gives you the right, 'helpme2times', to attack something that is helping a human being that is suffering terribly? Who are you to do that? Or to TRY to do that? WHat kind of person would WANT to do that???? I don't know. I wouldn't. Ever.
If you don't understand the Work, then that is okay. You don't have to understand it. Or like it. But if it helps other people, who are YOU to take that away from anyone? People can deal very nicely with their own lives without you butting in and trying to destroy them. You really should all mind your own business. Stay out of Katie's life. Stay out of other people's lives. It's not cool to mess with other people's lifelines. If Katie's Work has helped me, who are you to say that it's wrong and lame and a cult? I realize that her schools are expensive. I realize that some seminars are expensive. I realize that the cockroach story is weird. But so what? The Work helps me. It isn't hurting me. It is MY decision to make. That is the right of every individual to make that decision. Personally, I haven't spent a dime hardly and Katie's concept has helped me tremendously when I didn't think I could go on another day. She provides a lot of help without charge. She doesn't force her Work on anyone. If you knew of Katie and the Work, you would know that. From what i have read on this forum, it really seems like no one knows anything about Katie or the Work but you attack it for reasons that I can't quite fathom.
So, if you all have nothing better going on in your lives, and have nothing better to do than to get on this forum and cut people down(REAL LIVE PEOPLE, With Feelings, btw) and mock people and try to destroy people that have helped so many, then how does that you make you above what you are mocking?
Seriously. I don't think that everyone on here is vindictive and hateful and mocking (you know who of you are and you should be ashamed of yourselves).
For the few that aren't, and have a real motive to help, i just ask that you not mock things that you really don't understand. You say that the Work causes harm and is dangerous. But the REAL danger is in what you all are doing, in trying to destroy what may be a person's last hope at life. THAT is how serious this forum is and the serious damage it can cause.
As I have said, I have been off here, because i did not see any open minds. Just closed minds intent on spewing hate for something they don't understand or have no experience with. But i kept getting email notices that this thread was still going on. Curious as to what more could possibly be said on this topic, I came back on. Big mistake. There is enough hate in the world without seeking it out from strangers on a forum. I am going to remove my name from this forum, so the emails will stop.
I sincerely hope that the hate will stop on here, but I am not in control of what you all do. I would ask that you stop talking about this, particularly stop quoting me. If i would have realized that my brief initial comment would just stir up more hate and animosity, i certainly would never have commented. I am sorry I did. It seems to have caused more harm when the intent was to cause good.
Do not, please, talk about my words. I am thankful for the help that Katie's approach has given me and it hurts a lot to hear your attacks, especially the attacks that are mean and hateful. Katie's questions have helped me and countless others, like it or not. It is not harmful. These accusations are spoken from ignorance of the facts. Just that last sentence alone is going to incite some of you, but it is the truth. If you have not been helped by it, if you have never been in a place where you needed this help, then who are you to judge it? Who are you to say it doesn't work? Who are you to judge those that are helped by it? It isn't for everyone, but if it helps people who have tried everything else to no avail, how COULD you argue with it or try to destroy their final lifeline???
read the hateful words of "helpme2times" below...and then think about where the hate is..think about WHY it is...think about the damage these words cause. I don't want hate in my life. I will not read this sort of hateful, ignorant bias any more. Byron Katie's Work does not HARM people. Hate, ugly thoughts, such as is displayed here, is what harms people.
Just...please...stop the hate. And maybe try to be thankful for what you have...and stop trying to take help away from others who need it. Please. Just stay in your own business and leave others alone.
I have just read through the links re:cults etc. that you mentioned above. Byron Katie is the opposite of these terms mentioned. These terms do not apply to her at all. She is merely helping people to end their suffering. She doesn't do it for them. She shares her experience. She shares what worked for her. Take it or leave it. She doesn't care whether you take it or leave it. She stays in her own business. She is the very opposite of 'control'. She is a lover of reality. She is a lover of 'what is'. It is not about control. It is about realizing that we have no control. And when we argue with reality, we are arguing with God and will lose that battle every time. Common sense, non-controlling.
If Byron Katie were really "staying in her business," then she wouldn't be running seminar after seminar and promoting this "work" she allegedly discovered on the heels of an alleged cockroach crawling over her foot whilst sprawled on the floor of some rehab.
Yeah, that's believable.
But once upon a time I bought into that story! Apparently a lot of others have too.
Interestingly, that cockroach in rehab, her illnesses, the washing machine thingy in Amsterdam, etc. All of that is HER STORY.
If she can have her STORY, then why can't YOU? I think it's a fair question.
"Lauren" seems to know a lot about what is going on inside of Byron Katie. How on earth can she know that BK "is a lover of reality" among other things
According to her slick website, Byron Katie has got seven (7) events running in July 2010 alone. That includes a very expensive 28-day "Turnaround House" (price tag? $20,000). This Turnaround House claims to treat "the ultimate addiction, the only addiction: the mind's addiction to the unquestioned, stressful thoughts that cause all the suffering in our life."
Uh, it might be front-page news to some that there's no such thing as, oh, say, heroin addiction, cocaine addiction, nicotine addiction, etc. Noooo, there's only one addiction and it's in your mind. Yeah, right. Well then, if the reports re the Byron Katie schools and so on are true, that people are urged to refrain from ingesting drugs, sugar, etc. and even urged not to wear makeup (seriously?), then people might want to inform BK and staff that NOT indulging in those things is irrelevant. It's only the mind that matters, after all.
"The recommendation was to observe a drug free, sugar free diet for ten days prior to event to remove any potential mind altering affects of the substances." (See this Participant Report
"Given all the Suggested Don'ts (don't look in a mirror more than once a day, don't wear jewelry or makeup, don't think about your appearance, etc.), most folks looked pretty crummy by Day 3. Katie, however, looked radiant, rested, made up, perfectly coiffed, beautifully dressed at all times. (See this Participant Report
I think it is sad that people take what they have heard, second-hand, and run with it and repeat it, as if it were fact.
I think it is sad that there is such a huge level of DENIAL from some parties that there might be even a HINT of anything wrong in BK-land. Interestingly "Lauren" has claimed that we are merely promoting hearsay here. Unfortunately that doesn't help her case, because the same can be said of her. Why believe what she has to say? She seems to think that Byron Katie is some sort of saint!
I know that "the work" HARMED me, and I'd barely gotten involved with it. It was less than a year. I was lucky. Am very glad that I found my way to all the important STORIES from others who corroborated the ALARM BELLS that began going off inside of me the longer I was involved with BK's "work."