Re: Byron Katie (the Work) and Steven Sashen
Date: May 26, 2008 08:21AM
I haven't read all the posts in detail above, but my guess is that Salerno on SHAMblog is a big believer in open debate, as any healthy person is. (unlike these cultic groups).
Maybe Salerno is going to run a feature article on Katie in some magazine, or maybe the Byron Katie Borg has gotten to him with more "private phone calls".
You will notice that Byron Katie has certain people out there who literally get people on the phone and start "working on them". These are not stupid people, they know how to manipulate people one-to-one.
Carol Skolnick, for example...her main method is to isolate people and talk to them one-on-one privately. That is a very common method. They won't come on an open forum like this one, as they fear facts and open debate.
But its clear that Stephen Sashen is quite a slippery self-promoter, and a promoter of Byron Katie and The Work, in an indirect permissive way. That is more effective than banging on drums and shaving your head bald.
You can call yourself an Anti-Guru, but still promote your own Guru.
So there are a number of "faux-skeptics" out there these days, who try to make themselves into Skeptics, but in reality they are apologists for their own Guru, or AntiGuru Guru, or whatever they want to call it. They even get away with it.
Of course with Byron Katie you are going to get MASSIVE BLOWBACK, done in a quite sophisticated way. Her supporters and senior people are quite smart, and they can talk circles around most people.
Carol Skolnick is one of these folks, and so is Stephen Sashen.
So is anyone saying the Byron Katie Hotline phone-line is legit. ITS NOT. Its a bunch of strangers, that even Byron Katie does NOT support. It could be a criminal on the Byron Katie Hotline, who is trying to do Identity Theft, or anything else. You are talking to a complete stranger, and telling them all your personal details. They could record it, and do anything with it. Its VERY dangerous.
They could enrol you in Amway, or another cult, or anything.
They are complete strangers with NO OVERSIGHT AT ALL.
People should NOT call strangers like that, who have no training, and no nothing. Who are these people? Most of them are bogus LIFE COACHES looking for CLIENTS.
Byron Katie is absolutely full of shit.
In that, she is CONSCIOUSLY doing dozens of LGAT techniques on people, Persuasion technique, NLP, and many many other things. Its totally blatant.
And she lies, yes she does a bald-faced "lie" and pretends she is some Savant who got attacked by a cockroach, etc.
Many people can't see her technique.
Her senior people play the same bullshit game Katie does and pretend its magic.
But other magicians see how other magicians do their tricks.
The women weeping at Byron Katie's feet is ENGINEERED by Byron Katie.
Its all there in the text, and its explained in this thread.
People better wake-up and do some homework, and learn about persuasion and hypnosis, or you too might find yourself weeping on your knees in a parking lot and handing over your wedding ring, and handing over your entire SELF and MIND to some AntiGuru Guru who wears a sweater and pantsuits and pretends to talk about "love" to use as a LoveBomb upside your lonely heart.
What do people have to do?
Shave their heads bald and bang on drums?
Things are far more sophisticated now, and people better go and learn these about techniques, like all of the one's Byron Katie uses.
Its all technique.
For example, put Byron Katie in front of a room of NLPers and hypnosis people, and she is powerless. Except for the people who want to learn her methods, so they can make a pile of cash too.
Byron Katie is extremely dangerous, and extremely nasty and abusive in her misuse of these techniques. Don't be duped by Byron Katie Apologists.
They are subtle.
They don't play bongo drums and have bald heads and chant.
They speak softly, use humor and jokes, pretend to be skeptics, and are very subtle in how they do it. These are skilled and trained people, not hacks.