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#141576 From: "authfriend" <jstein@...>
Date: Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:12 pm
Subject: Confused aboiut Swami-G (was Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi) authfriend
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" <emptybill@...> wrote:
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> Hey Trinity
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> Please accept my appreciation for your continued focus on nailing
> down swami-g and her egoic claims. I spent three years in a
> monastery and I find cheating assertions in her statements that the
> others in the forum just don't pick up during the cross talk.

I haven't spent any time in a monastery, and
I'm not at all informed concerning the lineage
issues, but boy, I've seen quite a bit of
intellectual dishonesty in her responses.

Put that together with the snark and the ego,
and she really turns me off. Maybe that's just
personality and has nothing to do with her
state of consciousness and her ability to
help her followers achieve enlightenment; and
perhaps some folks find it appealing, but it
sure isn't the kind of thing that would attract
me to a teacher.





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#141598 From: nablusoss1008
Date: Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:54 pm
Subject: Confused aboiut Swami-G (was Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi) nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@...> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" <emptybill@>
wrote:
> >
> > Hey Trinity
> <snip>
> > Please accept my appreciation for your continued focus on nailing
> > down swami-g and her egoic claims. I spent three years in a
> > monastery and I find cheating assertions in her statements that
the
> > others in the forum just don't pick up during the cross talk.
>
> I haven't spent any time in a monastery, and
> I'm not at all informed concerning the lineage
> issues, but boy, I've seen quite a bit of
> intellectual dishonesty in her responses.
>
> Put that together with the snark and the ego,
> and she really turns me off. Maybe that's just
> personality and has nothing to do with her
> state of consciousness and her ability to
> help her followers achieve enlightenment; and
> perhaps some folks find it appealing, but it
> sure isn't the kind of thing that would attract
> me to a teacher.

Who wants a person with an energy resembling a ordinary housewife as
ones teacher ?





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#141608 From: billy jim <emptybill@...>
Date: Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:25 pm
Subject: Confused Swami G-spot Kali Pur Uber Alles Tamas (was re: confused about swami-g) emptybill
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Judy, Yep, I agree with you. G-Spot's communications to this forum seemed low class. Just for your information, naga sadhus are not just from the lower castes. They are also at the low end of the sannyasa spectrum. Naga sadhus are indeed respected but chiefly because they possess nothing, not even clothes. Some of them however do possess the potency to successfully use karma mantras. “Don’t ever mess with a naga sadhu” is a common sentiment in India. They are respected in many ways because they are feared – not because they necessarily hold liberating knowledge. There are exceptions of course. Maybe her teacher is one. By the way, my conclusion, after looking at some photos of her fixed gaze, is that she is the naga. There are many indications of her status. Here are just a few more:

1. She is trolling for disciples in various forums (actually trawling [fishing with a net] might be a better word correspondence considering our networked forums.) Ronny Tanmay, who claims he is performing slava for her, seems quite the preacher. Didn’t he hear how dangerous this new variant of TB is? Maybe he should have his nadi-s checked by an independent yogin. God forbid if it were a yogini. He might end up mantrically gelded by the head mistress – just to keep him pure … for sure.

2. She disparages anyone she considers to be commercial yet the enterprising $50 g-spot is a veritable greenway sanctuary among yoga desperados – if you get my meaning. Funny how she believes she can find juicy lost souls here in this den of meditation untermenschen.

3. Her descriptions of some of her experiences are given disproportional value. Shiva and Shakti in a flame – it may be beautiful and authentic but it is just another experience. Nirvikalpa samadhi? It means non-conceptual, non-relational unification but who unites with whom? How can this kind of samadhi be endless if it joins what was separated?

Separation is bound to occur again if unification is not the natural, innate reality. This is why Shankara’s parama-guru Gaudapada called the state of completion (purnam) “asparsha yoga” or non-relational union - unity rather than uniting. I’m thinking MMY briefly touched upon this in passing while describing the first 5-7 threads of the Yoga sutras at Humboldt, ’71. empty

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Namaste FFL,

Now that didn't fuck you brains up just now that I greeted the group
like that , did it? How about how I just used the word Fuck?

I am cracking up here but actually Swami G has used the word fuck way
more than I have, after all my up bringing is more on the east coast,
whereas it seems along Swami G's journey, it was in Hawaii, ca and the
west coast- they talk like that over there.

Why am I bringing this up? hmmm, I didn't know what I was going to
write exactly, I hit the reply button and off I go, I just got through
reading like 5 posts on this thread which I thought was about dead but
it's coming back to life.

Somehow of all the comments, the flavor of what's sitting in my memory
is Alex;s things. Hard to explain my memory now because there is a
real difference in it, no words to explain how it works, yet Swami G
and maybe some others can understand.

To try to explain this memory thing, it is as if the silence drowns
out the memory, yet what is needed is there. How is it if the memory
is drowned out that I can recall all the words needed now to write?
This memory being drowned out is part of the kundalini being awake,
which then is why the silence is there, so it all connected.

The mind changes, actually it is not about a cosmic mind, it is more
about the loosing the mind. Look at all the stuff I am saying- no
cosmic mind, you loose your mind, no cosmic ego, you loose your ego,
the identity of who you thought you were- gone- in Realization- no
more Alex.

And the truth of Kundalini, once it is switched on, it can;t be
switched off. And did I tell you? - It was aparent to me that the Om
mantra is used with Swami G- if you research what Maharishi says about
the Om Mantra, he says you loose all your money and everything else.

Lets see, is there anything else I can think of the scare the shit out
of you before I see if anyone is interested in joining this path? hmmm
I think I got most of it, you loose your mind, your identity, maybe
you could really at some point have some difficult memory loss or who
knows what may come up with the kundalini? I am enjoying everything
but that is me, I can't tell you what would happen with you, that is
up to you.

How did I get into all this anyway, where was I? hahahaha. Well, no
matter what has been written by me or Swami G, this path is not what
what thought it was when they get to know it, Swami G was not what you
thoght she was once you get to know her, and Swami G says once
realization is known, it was never what you thought it was.

Since Alex is bringing up some paling around he did with his Guru, let
me think what I did- we went to see like 3 movies, one was the
D'ovinci code. Right in the middle of the movie, I sunk so deep in
consciosness, I wont forget that movie- after I was laughing so hard
and Swami G joined right in with me. oh yea, we went to the circus in
Mexico, pretty good, also in Hawaii we went to this circus sort of
thing- I recognized one of the girls in the circus, awesome, she shot
an arrow with her feet while standing on her hands and hit the target.

There was some tatoo shop in Honolulu, so Swami G got some extra
tatoos , including an amazing one on her arm of her daughter Noel. We
also went to this polynisuan thing in Honolulu, also rather awesome.
We stayed in yurts on the big Island, it just happened to be clothes
optional, something to add to our laughter. You would have to be out
of your mind to walk around naked there because you would get your ass
bitten off with mosquitoes.

Wanna hear about india? or Mexico? or LA? - We travel alot together it
looks like, I will keep you posted maybe. But down to the serious
points- i was going to say I dont give a rats ass what you do because
Swami G has used that expression so ofter, but in this case I do care
how everyone makes out here, I hope it is well.

Just as I am writting here, this could have been Swami G writting this
way. Then there are many that run to the books to see how the
enlightened are supposed to be, and then run through the list-
sometimes directly to Swami G- It says here that the enlightened pick
their nose with the left finger- you are using the right, they do
this, but you do this.

There was one professor who studdied metaphysics for years, and Swami
G was just not able to meet the standards for being enlightened
acording to what his books told him. Because he has the athority with
his degree, the weight for what he says is supposed to be very
significant.

But this is not my final letter, I am not mad, I am having a little
fun here. I dont have to answer questions because if there were
sincere inquiries about this path, you all know what you can find
Swami G to ask- don't know what happens from there

Lets see, I went into everything under the sun in this letter. oh yes,
there was a partial list of what can bring about a Kundalini awakening
posted but it was labeled something else by the poster. That is not
cool really because it is intentially distorting something that was
published in order to help people, but then again, most of you reading
this don't give a ratts ass about this path ( there I go again) and
actually, as I said, with all the web sites, there are like 15 or so
disciples, so you can see this really is not a very popular thing.

Well, look at that list of the shit that can happen to you, you can
loose it all- you have to be nuts to enter this path or do you? Man,
this certainly is a differnt sort of letter- what happened to this guy
called Ron. Even that, you loose your name- he isn;t ever Ron anymore-

Ok, let me try to get serious again, last time I tried in this letter,
I lost it again and went off- just one more reason to stay away from
this path- look at this guy, what is it- Ronmay, Tanmay- Who is it we
are confused about- Swami G or this Ronmay- Tanmay guy?

In doing all these events with Swami G, in writting this letter- in
both situations, this deep state of consciousness - different than
before for me, was always there. So, weather it is in meditation or
activity, what ever activity, the sadana is going on. Lets see, sticks
and stones may break my bones but your words dont fuck me up, steady
as she goes- Was that how that rhyme went?

Do you get kicked off here for writting letters like this? Any other
questions now that I have answered everything?

Tanmay ( the one formally known as Ron)

PS, For your entertainment- here is a letter that someone just wrote
Swami G, and she has now blocked him but he has my email address- it
is from a disciple of a Guru named Adi da:

Hello,
we need to acknowledge a few things here first.
As far as I am concerned, the Guru/devotee relationship is the highest
form of sadhana so we are not disagreeing about this.
As for the fact that all devotees say that their Guru is the greatest
One ever, well that seems natural enough to me and even appropriate. A
devotee should see that their Guru is Divine because if that Guru is
real then he or she is doing 'Gods work' so to speak.
But do not misunderstand me. I considered Osho to be my first Guru
even though I never met him except through his writing. Thereafter, I
also considered Yogananda to be my Guru without ever having met him
except through his writing. Then I had a living Guru in the person of
Hariharananda whom I met and interacted with and whose blessing and
instruction I recieved.

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078. Jan Esmann
Posted on July 15, 2011 by Rick

Jan was born 1960 and grew up in Bury, England. ...(edited by Corboy for brevity)

After doing Transcendental Meditation and the TM Siddhi Programme for six years, Jan felt the need for a guru and found Gururaj Ananda Yogi whom he stayed with for three years.

Then Jan’s Kundalini was so active, that he did not need any other guidance than what the Shakti gave, so he gave up on gurus and meditated by observing the inner Shakti’s workings. Following this, Jan began to be contagious and the Kundalini might spontaneously awaken in those that meditated with him.

After some years, Jan met Amma and related to her as a spiritual master for about ten years. But again the Shakti guided Jan to meditate on his own and follow the inner guidance of the Shakti. Today Jan would describe his spirituality as being grabbed by Mother’s grace. The Divine Mother who resides in everybody as Kundalini Shakti and patiently waits to unfold as a vibrating field of love, bliss and grace.
Interview recorded 7/10/2011.

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2. Heat Seeker on March 24, 2012 at 11:17 am said: (Questioning Jan E:
And what would be the approx. timeline of when you supposedly attained enlightenment with Dadashri, as compared to when you were kicked out of Guru Swami G’s sangha (for the second time), after she called you out for wanting to “take” shaktipat from the Guru, while remaining in the shadows. And how you threw a big hissy fit (for the seond time) and were kicked out for good. I’m sure you recall having a website (still do) before even approaching her, indicating that you were a kundalini Guru.
So…Just wondering about the timeline with Dadarshi and GuruG.
And also, why you don’t mention GuruG in all of this.
(Well I’m not surprised of course)

3. Esmann on March 25, 2012 at 4:41 am said:
Heat Seeker; I wonder what it is about my website that provokes you SwamiG people so much, that you need to spam me with aggressions both privately and publicly. It happened during my short stay in her online ashram and apparently still goes on years later. Your rendition of events is so warped and exaggerated, I can’t comment on the details.

4. Heat Seeker on March 25, 2012 at 9:51 am said:
First of all, I’m no longer with SwamiG.
And I’ll agree the tone is somewhat strong.
But I don’t accept my comments are a “spam”
as you put it.

I also don’t accept they are “warped and exaggerated”.
Your time with SwamiG is documented by posts.
Anyone who was or is there can follow the threads.
The timing of your being there is also recorded.
And the timing of you supposed enlightenment with Dadarshi is also recorded:
[www.dadashri.org]

“Sept. 9th 2006 I attained Self realization. Here’s how it happened”

So I’m just curious what you were doing taking on a Guru and pleading for Shaktipat, and being quite ungrateful in the process, when you had supposedly found enlightenment and one assumes your final Guru in Dadarshi? I just find that odd.
For the record, I would not have posted this, if you hadn’t come public and did this interview as if you are a just a humble enlightened guy. What goes around comes around.

5. Esmann on March 26, 2012 at 12:44 pm said:

Heat Seeker; years ago Swami G and I emailed. Maybe she saw my website and wrote me, maybe I wrote her and referred to my website as a means of introduction. Anyway, in my first email to her I stated I had reached Self-realization and she promptly invited me to join her “spiritual yahoo group” as she called it, not informing me it was in fact a group of her devotees where one had to submit to her whims unconditionally. Believing I had found a community of likeminded I joined the group. But after a few months I witnessed Swami G unleash her not small wrath on some poor girl in the group – and I left without further ado. I was not “kicked out” as you claim. This is documented in the threads you refer to.

Before leaving I had recommended Swami G to several Danish friends who became Swami G’s disciples and probably still are; in fact I established quite a large group of Danish disciples for her.

After I left, these disciples persuaded me I had made a mistake by leaving, so I rejoined Swami G’s online ashram. In this online ashram one is supposed to submit weekly reports.

I dutifully submitted these in which I repeatedly stated I was in a state of bliss. This provoked the anger (or jealousy?) of several of her so called Self-realized disciples (“sages”) as well as of others and Swami G herself. But what could I do? I honestly reported my state in the required weekly reports.

After a few months Swami G was to have a one week course in Denmark. I looked forward to meeting her in person and politely asked if she would give shaktipat at that occasion. I did not try to “take shaktipat from her” as you maintain. Then Swami G unleashed her wrath on me for God knows what reason and without explanation demanded I deleted my website “[www.lovebliss.eu]”. I refused to delete this, upon which Swami G lost her composure and in no kind terms first denied me a place on her Copenhagen group and then asked me to leave her “online ashram”.

Her so called “sages” and “gurus” barking along with their gurus aggressive pecking on me. I then left in peace, believe it or not. Yet even after I quietly left not only did swami G send me a derogatory email, but worse:

Several of her disciples and “sages” spammed me with aggressive emails. And apparently the aggressive spamming has not ended judging from your posts here.
As to your other statements:

1) I never took Swami G as a guru, I was lured into her ashram as you can see from above.
2) Re: the BATGAP interview: Rick asked me to do the interview, not vice versa.
3) Dadashri is not a guru for anyone. I don’t have any guru or gurus.

And even if I had been fumbling around with other teachers, so what? Only a fool or an arrogant guru or “sage” thinks he or she has nothing more to learn.

6. Heat Seeker on March 26, 2012 at 3:31 pm said:
Jan, I’m sorry, you are not being honest here.
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I find it hard to believe you didn’t know the first time around that you were joining a kundalini Guru with students. But even if I give you that, it is really irrelevant because the second time around, you absolutely did. As far as being kicked out the first time, I stand corrected. You technically left, but not before throwing a tantrum, where by any Guru should not have allowed you to stay anyways.

You are simply not being honest when you joined the second time. You were not “lured” to join. If anything, you were fortunate to be accepted back after your first tantrum.
You say you innocently posted on your state as per the weekly guidelines. That you were badgered. A few things about this. For one, you weren’t being badgered, you were being called out on the notion being put forward by you that you were in a high state or even fully awakened. The Gurus and Sages don’t address peope directly in this manner unless they feel there is something that needs looking at. The fact that your website claimed you were self-realised [http://www.janesmann.com/Spirituality.htm] and that you told Guru G that you were self realised, and that you claimed in 2006 you were enlightened after the Gnyan Vidhi initiation [http://www.dadashri.org/experiences4.html]
I think it’s safe to say there was and is plenty of material to show that you believed you were Self-Realised/Enlightened, before you joined GuruG. So why I wonder, would such a person, want to join a kundalini Guru, especially after witnessing what you felt was inappropriate behaviour by the Gurus and Sages and some students?

You were looking for more, you knew you weren’t self-realised/enlightened. You were sticking around for shaktipat/darshan. And when you were called out as to your motives for being there, and wanting shaktipat, and refusing to comply with a relatively minute request by “your Guru” to take down your site, you threw another tantrum and were kicked out once and for all.
ps.

1) How can you say you never took her as Guru the second time around? And to see you were “lured” back! Please! And how do expect to receive shaktipat, when you are casually hanging out?

2) Maybe you were contacted for the interview, but I’ll bet it was due to your website. Which as I have made clear above, is fantasy. Of your creation.

3) As per the link above about your enlightenment after Gnyan Vidhi, it is secondary whether you saw Dadarshi as your Guru. [I'm not surprised however, as the pattern clearly seems to be hopping from place to place, partaking in the fruits, and going on your way. How nice never to commit to a teacher who actually challenges you, snaps you out of your fantasy, and helps you actually move forward]

7. Esmann on March 26, 2012 at 5:24 pm said:
Heat Seeker:

This is getting ridiculous.
You are very eager to miscredit me. I wonder why! In order to accomplish that you lie as I have shown.
Please keep to the content of the interview and spare us this warped and false slander that serves no constructive goal what so ever.
OK, I should not have joined Swami G’s online ashram the second thime. So what? I was humble enough to explore other teachers. And as I said in a previous post: Arrogant is the seeker who can not humble himself to approach other masters. I checked out Swami G and all I met was “gurus”, “sages” and disciples like you.

8. anatol on March 26, 2012 at 11:32 pm said:

HS… you are so arrogant… coming here and making accusations at Jan… that have nothing to do with his interview… even if you were correct… this is not the place for that… but i seriously doubt everything you say… since you were derogatory from the start of coming her… to several people here already…
you are out of place… and i for one am asking you to leave… since it is unlikely that you will change your ways overnight…

i know that Jan is telling the truth… especially that it was Rick who invited him for an interview… because it was i who recommended Jan to Rick… and it was a fine interview… people come here to listen to the interviews… and are free to comment… and free to voice different POV… as long as it is done respectfully… and not personally attacking the interviewer… as you have done…

please have some integrity and leave… thank you very much… and may God Bless you…

9. foofoo on November 24, 2012 at 7:39 pm said:
being “quite ungrateful” is a VERY common phrase used by guru swami g. also I find it odd that a “former” follower of hers would be so detailed and bother with this. Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm. LMAO

10. Esmann on November 25, 2012 at 6:23 am said:
foofoo, look, I can only repeat details of what I have said above in reply to heatseekers aggressive attacks. I never were a follower of swami G; I checked her out and we disagreed on vital matters, so our ways parted. It is years ago. Could you swami G people please leave me alone and be in peace! Something about me must frighten you very much.

11. foofoo on November 25, 2012 at 12:32 pm said:
you misunderstand-I was just wondering if possibly heat seeker was indeed swami g

12. Inquisitor on June 5, 2013 at 12:14 pm said:

Is it not strange how the Swami Guru G devotees and Swami G herself can be so aggressive, defensive and bellicose at times, especially in discussion fora? HeatSeeker comes across as extraordinarily defensive, egotistical and bitter — not unlike, sadly, how Swami G herself has been coming across in recent videos (and, as others have stated here and elsewhere, for a very long time in her ashram). Folks wondering what may be happening here, and whether Jan was right to reject Swami G and her practices and ashram, should watch some of the more recent Swami G videos.

Like the one where she berates her handful of followers for not fawning over her enough on her birthday. For not doing more to help plan her birthday celebration, etc. You might also want to watch her karaoke videos. And her mini-infomercials where she peddles interior design services and, more recently, sells iPhone cases that she’s designed herself. Very strange, but quite enlightening for purposes of making sense of this discussion thread.
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From a couple ex-students, and a simple internet search of public records, I bring you the following:
So her self-proclaimed teacher name is Guru Swami G. (or in part "bestowed" by students)
She legally changed her birth name to Ganga Karmokar.
Her birth name is Sharon Wipprecht
Other aliases:
Sharon L Motoda
Sharon L Noack
Sharon Noack Tang
Sharon Leah Tang

And that is only a partial list.
It would appear she married maybe 5-8 times before settling down as a celibate Guru.
She is welcome to clarify the details here.
She clearly has re-invented herself several times as well.
Moving, marrying, cult to cult; to her current incarnation as crazy-wisdom Tantric Guru.
Most of the students/apologists who came to her defense previously here, have left, been "demoted", or been booted.
Sarojini for example, was a "Sage", and very close to Sharon.
She was stripped of her name, her position, and remains (for some reason) in some group for on-the-fence students apparently.
John Lobur took off (or was booted)
Many have left since the start of this thread.
All of the original so-called "Sages", 7 or 8 in total, left (or were booted, or were "demoted")
She basically has a few close students left.
One of them, Ronald Fried, Hridayananda, is her primary sugar-daddy, servant, pin-cushion. (basically husband #100 minus the sex?)
One site list him as a "Relative"? (he is not)
She also gets "disability" money from the military [alleged sexual abuse while she was employed with them many years ago]
Takes some anti-anxiety medication regularly.
A couple other donors help to round things out, and then a bunch of small donations, Skype counseling (taxed?), etc;
Any divorce settlements with all those marriages?
House in Seattle was paid for. Condo in Pompano Beach (currently living) paid for.
Two cars.
Trikes.
Toys.
Day-to-day.
Stomach surgery (eating well and simple exercise were apparently not possible for this great Yogini Guru)
Whiny, annoying, preachy, self-absorbed, bossy, controlling, moody, demanding, short-tempered....just some of the words used to describe her.
Flaky, new age, white trash, baggage, not very intelligent, with a God complex is another.
Wonder if her husbands would agree?
Personal crusade [obsessed] against another sketchy Guru called Nithyananda. He's caught up in sexual abuse scandal and other things.
Many YT videos, all over the place nutty. Usual is several brainwashed students thanking her for how great the videos are.
Anyone challenges or questions her gets blocked immediately.

So you decide. Your kind of spiritual teacher?