are you?

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Do you believe in God now? Do you believe that Jesus died for our sins?

Next you are going to ask me if I am "born again".

We're not here to discuss one another's beliefs, Dave. We are here to discuss your behavior in 1) recruiting minors, why do your team members even TALK to minors? That's asking for trouble. 2) persuading your recruits to donate kidneys and sometimes have vasectomies, 3) asking about how and why you've succeeded in alienating most of your own children, the biological and the adopted, and 4) (you still haven't answered this question) why did you publicise the trial as being a replacement for legal action, and then have the Johnsons arrested anyway? Why did you lie, Dave?

Hii Brian. I thought you had given up this thread.

I understand that we are not here to discuss my beliefs. Neither are we here to discuss lies. So I don't see anything in your post to respond to.

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Hii Brian. I thought you had given up this thread.

I understand that we are not here to discuss my beliefs. Neither are we here to discuss lies. So I don't see anything in your post to respond to.

Will you just try please to address my questions one by one? Spell it out for me like I am eight years old please.

But then you are NOT eight years old, are you? Please look up Internet trolls to get a better perspective on my reason for not getting involved in your games.

Dave McKay:

You are actually quite beyond simply an "Internet troll."

Rather you are a "cult leader" and that's really a category of distinction.

Again, this is not a place where you can maipulate people as you do so typically with your followers.

Sorry if that's unpleasent.

Attempting to attack zeuszor won't change that.

Anyone interested can go back on this thread and see how often you refuse to answer basic questions.

What are you hiding and/or afraid to answer?

Quite frankly, Rick, your accusations and those of others on this forum are getting so totally over the top that it is actually helping our cause, because your credibility has to be called into question.

Why should I clear up the misunderstandings when you're going to attack me even for doing that?

Now can you please answer our questions, Dave?

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Now can you please answer our questions, Dave?

When will we stop flogging the dead horse? :roll:

Dave McKay:

It seems unlikely that you would be here commenting if you actually thought your "cause" was being helped.

And it is noteworthy when you do come here you have refused to answer simple questions about yourself and the way your group is run.

It demonstrates that the JCs, like many other groups called cults, have no meaningful transparency.

Instead, it's a totalitarian group without the usual disclosure to the public about leadership, accountability and money.

The bottom line is when anyone is considering joining your group they don't fully understand what and who they are becoming involved with.

This is why a "cult leader" is often compared to a "con man."

The only meaningful difference is that a grifter typically runs a con on someone and moves on to a new mark.

A cult leader runs the con on and on, using and exploiting the same people.