There have been a lot of reports ion the British press re Freeganism involving members of the Jesus Christians and just like the BBC story, they don't mention that the Freegans are Jesus Christians.

The synic in me suggests that due to the criticism abot Jesus Christians being forced to eat garbage, they are using David's PR skills to promote it as an acceptable alternative lifestyle.

As as oft been said against Freeganism, is that sucessful bin diving relies on people [b:134e17ca14]not[/b:134e17ca14] changing their wasteful behaviours.

The online editiions often have a section where you can add comments about the story. It's a good place for stating that these Freegans are members of the cult known as Jesus Christians and have no choice but to eat garbage as they hand over their belongings to cult leader, David McKay.

Now regarding David been chosen or not being chosen for reality TV shows. I can see Malcolm having a few ideas of what may or may not be suitable for him!

I think the whole concept of organ donations is very commendable, if there is no hidden agenda or coercion involved.

However, there must be tremendous pressure felt by Jesus Christians' members who haven’t donated, to donate. There appears to be an “organized” push to have them involved or attend events like Transplant Games, with members that have donated.

Imagine wearing the same T – Shirts and being part of the back slapping hype that is generated at those events. It would definitely be a powerful motivator and if someone knew what they were doing, it certainly would be a good strategy to get people to attend with a view to having them part with their organs.

Talking of organ donations, some people have asked me about the illegal trade.

The capital of the illegal trade is known as Chennai (formerly Madras) India. You probably couldn’t go to Chennai and not hear about the idea of organ donations. Actually, David would know the place. Isn’t that the place where he has all his book printed?

Thank you private eyes,

I will give your idea some consideration (the possibilities for David of an appearance one or the other of the various reality shows)...

The principle difficulty I would forsee here, is that somehow, someone would have to find somewayto “package” David suitably in order to be able to “sell” the idea of having him chosen in the first place by one of the selection panels…..a task that may well be even a professional image consultants worst nightmare….


In the meantime (while my mind is ticking over) I would like to take the time to congratulate those individual Quakers who are seeking to show the wider world David's "dirty linen"....thank you for the courage you are displaying in this matter...(..Davids "smear campaign" against you, as pathethic as it is, still must be an unpleasant experience....believe me, those who post here KNOW what's it like!)

As an occasional participant at the Friends meeting in Seoul, I am proud to learn that there is some "backbone" to an organization I am loosely associated with....(I am happy to provide some internal "references" for any members of the Quakers who might with to speak with me further).

I would like the Quakers to consider the comparison David makes of "disgrunteld members" from the JesusChristians with the nasty treatment poor, widdle David has to put up with from the Society of Friends, as a current and timely example of his duplicity.



You will be aware that to become a member of the JesusChristians required the ex-members who post here to put every cent they owned and all their possessions into the hands of David (who never returns a cent of it upon any members departure because as he tells everyone, they gave it to "God"....and hence David considers himself justified in keeping it for "Gods' work as only HE does "Gods" work) as well as generally discontinuing their careers to become unremunerated full-time volunteers in David's little empire....

Of course David is free to correct me here on the DavidSpeak broadcast he operates....but I believe that he and Cherry have not have to make the slightest comparable sacrifice whatsoever to become members of the Quakers in Sydney.



Becoming members of the JesusChristians meant forgoing every other relationship members may have previously held (all family and friends were just so much "distraction" from the "important" work of Kingdom building) and entailed agreeing to forgo the rights of the Freedoms of Movement, Assocation and Speech. (Our access to the external world was vetted, mail and other communication was read publically....we were required to travel outside the group in the company of other members (until we reached the privledged status of being a "leader"that is)....to give you a few examples...)

In comparison, it is my belief that David and Cherry have had no restrictions whatsoever in the life they choose to lead or in whom they associate with, through their membership in the Quakers.



The numbers of ex-members VASTLY outnumber the current membership of the JesusChristians.....hence we actually have a problem of the gratitious whining of disenchanted and digruntled MEMBERS in the case of the JesusChrstians.

Comparitively, David and Cherry (and the other JesusChristians who have been instructed to take out membership of the Quakers) are, thankfully, a minsicule subsection of the wider Quaker population.



I present these simple facts to illustrate Davids' doleful attempt to try to dissuade you from pursuing the questions you are seeking to have addressed, with the facetious "logic", typical of the self-important. Such is the quality of the "soul" of the man (....more like a real "heel" I'd say!)

(There is thus , of course, absolutely NO comparison between the abuse David has served out over the years to those he has dishonestly dealt with, and with the conceited and childish whining of David whimpering about his "sufferings" due to some members of the Quakers talking "behind his back"....and to even serioulsy make such a miserable effort at drawing a "comparison" tells you he is utterly perfidious from the very first!!!)

David continues to wilfully engage in the practices I have outlined here (directly or vicariously through his network of "leaders" in the religious organization he has running behind him) and persists in the "labelling" "projection" "reaction formation" and various other behaviours that I and many other those who post here, have outlined in detail, and at length.

There may be that "of God" in everyone, but there is certainly also that "of Satan" looming ever larger and larger in David. His life and his current behaviour (there to be seen regardless of the brazen denials) are witness to the fact that he does not genuinely believe in a single thing that the Quakers would generally consider themsleves to stand for.

The Quakers are a means of "legitimacy" for David McKay, nothing else.


Disfellowship him if you want to retain any integrity.

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The Quakers are a means of "legitimacy" for David McKay, nothing else.

Whilst, I agree generally with your post, Malcolm, I think the Quaker connection is more than just a means of "legitimacy". I think the opportunities the Quakers generate for increasing the Jesus Christians fundraising potential is probably even more important.

Looks like there may have been a change of policy that ex members aren't aware of, over at Jesus Christians.

David must be paying a daily allowance for breakfast, lunch and dinner to members, so they [b:160f869a65]do[/b:160f869a65] have a choice not to eat garbage.

Apparently, members don't have to hand over their belongings to him either. Perhaps it was all in everyone's imagination.

Just thought I'd clear the air, as he is calling me a liar on his site. In fact he's allegedly upset that he can't sue me, because I am using a non de plume. Oh, is that is that why we have names such as, A. Christian, Zion Ben Jonah?

Memories may be beautiful and yet, what’s too painful to remember we simply chose to forget.

Seems David thinks that the numbers being quoted regarding
ex members is not correct:

Quote: "Someone has said forty, which sounds like an exaggeration".

Is Diva Dave really serious? My guess is he’s either deeply embarrassed and his ego can’t handle the truth or we are seeing the early onset of senile dementia.

I know there are a lot of ex members that would dearly love to be able to forget about their experiences with Dave, but I think even they might be disappointed that Dave's forgotten about them

Perhaps existing members could run a competition and see who could come up with the largest list of ex members. I’m tipping Robin and Christine here to win as they have been in the longest and have seen a fair few “victims” past through the ranks.

Perhaps Dave could win another meal voucher on one of his visits to Star City Casino to use as the prize. This would of course have the extra effect of helping to prove his legal case against me, that members do have the choice of where they eat.

Oh, don’t forget to add Jose’ David to the list!

been away from this stuff for a while
great to see the quakers finally getting some backbone
took them SO long
so many deceptions in Dave's defense of himself
how does he really expect that a group with an absolute leader, that believes in violence as punishment for wrongdoers, that believes husbands should rule over wives, that exerts detailed control over followers, could ever possibly be part of such a tolerant peace-loving anti-sexist gay friendly group like the Quakers??

Reading the syncophantic drivel as the drones rush to back up the party line made me sick. I am ashamed I was once a drone too.

Then I rejoiced that I broke free from Dave's control and I am free today.

JezGraSim, and Dave:

Earlier we were talking about the parable of the tares and the wheat in Matthew 13. Here is how it reads in the King James:

24: Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26: But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27: So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28: He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29: But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30: Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

The point I want to make, is that the lesson of this parable is that the wheat and the tares are not separated until the harvest--[b:25b4922982]by order of the householder himself[/b:25b4922982]. This means that the little separatist groups of various kinds of fundamentalists (such as yourselves) are missing the point. It is not our (your) business to separate out the tares from the wheat. In fact, the Lord wants them to grow up together, and it is strictly [b:25b4922982]His[/b:25b4922982] business to separate them out at the harvest. By their various efforts to separate tares from wheat these little groups (like yours) are actually doing damage to the wheat, and I cannot imagine the Lord is pleased with that.

Brian

That is bulls**t. I had no kind of "family reunion" planned and have never met your parents. I even had gifts for you.

Hell, whatever. I tried. I made a gesture of respect, tried to reach out to you and develop a friendship, and you slapped my hand away.

In my heart I didn't REALLY expect you to show anyway.

If you won't listen to me nor believe anything I say anyway, well, you cannot fault me for trying.

David needs scapegoats, he needs bad guys, he needs persecution and paranoia to maintain CONTROL over you. If you actually met me in person and saw that I am just an ordinary guy, an off-the grid Christian not unlike yourselves, and not the maniac David wants you to think that I am, then that'd be a THREAT to his control over you. He needs me to be the bad guy in order to maintain control.

Life is not all black and white. Just because I have strong concerns and criticisms about David and your group, that does not mean that I cannot accept you as friends, and you me.

Just because some person is not "with you", does not mean that they are "against you".

What would it take for me to convince you that I am not up to something and sincerely wish to develop a positive relationship with you all? What would it take?

The militant rhetoric was a huge mistake for which I have already issued a retraction and copious apologies.

What if I was telling the truth here?

What if I REALLY don't mean any harm?

What if I actually wanted to make friends with the US Team?

All I am asking for is the chance to prove that I am an ordinary guy, not some crazed monster.

If they simply REFUSE to believe and trust me on this, then hey, I tried.

What else can I do?

All they are doing with all the dodgy behavior and ad hominem attacks would be to prove my point for me: namely, that David uses them as little more than props in promoting this deluded fantasy that he has of himself.

What I am offering is the chance to prove me wrong.

You say that my way of trying to make friends sucks Elyas, and perhaps I deserve that. Since you know so much, tell me please: what would YOU have me to do in an effort to reconcile with them?