Still can't make any sense of it, Stoic.
I did catch this phrase:
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Davejc has no effective internal moral compass.
Now I have just read Kevin's testimony, where he said:
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I recall a family Bible study when reading a passage from one of Paul's epistles that mentioned how one should not eat with adulterers, and Dave explained that on this basis the COG would no longer stay at our house.
This quote to me tells me that Dave did indeed have an internal moral compass.
The later "subsequent fruits" are the subject of over 500 pages on this forum, and many of the fruits are not pretty........
But I still don't understand what you're getting at. Can you have another go at re-phrasing it?