How pathetic and ridiculous it is, that Dave runs a "foum" in which only those who agree with him in all repsects are allowed to participate! What kind of "discussion" is that?
It isn't. Dave had said that I was under moderation until a two way communication can be established. From what I had experienced there: I take that to mean when he has dominated me in leading me to accept everything he says as gospel.
About how many registered users are part of that forum, Enow?
I forget, but there was hardly any activity over there except for the posts I had recently done from which Dave had responded to: and not all of my posts were posted.
He had referred this site as a "hate site", and had called Rick Ross an athiest when he had found out that I was heading over here and then I came back and saw that parting shot towards me for my reply to "Joy" in the Introduction part of the forum. She was curious as to how I had found that forum as she stated that it was Dave's forum in all respect.
When you do an internet search: the link to that site says this:
Forum: Visit our forum. Watch the Jesus Christians in action as they discuss issues including those raised by our critics. Earn points for your contributions which ...
Apparently you can even get points for just reading the threads, but hardly the site as described above, but I reckon if Dave doesn't allow all posts to be posted by newbies such as myself, then one can make it appear as if he is on top of his game in answering all the critics, debunking reproofs, and whatever. I'm not saying that none of my posts are seen. Just saying and he has even posted in admitting it, that not all of my posts are posted,...unless he has decided to recitify that by letting them get posted now to answer them just for his members to see.
I was wondering if Dave had given the rebuttal or answer to my reply to his categorizing "do noy drink, do not eat, do not masturbate" as being of the commandments of men when in actuality, we can drink, but not get drunk. If one cannot drink without getting drunk, then they should not drink at all. Plus "masturbate" is the work of the flesh called uncleanness. It cannot escape as a work of the flesh when considered with all of these other sins.
Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
**This reference was not given to Dave, but it ties in with the subject**
**Ephesians 5:3But fornication, and all uncleanness
, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;**
This reference below was given in asscoiation with Galatians 5th reference to Dave.
2 Corinthians 12:20 For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults: 21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed
Do note that verse 20. I know that we are to mark those that are contrary and do not obey the gospel of grace since his site also pushes that one has to work towards their salvation. There is that doubleminded talk there where they say we can't save ourselves, but works has to accompany the believer and thus it graduates from there where one is working their way into Heaven and that no one can say that they are saved yet. Kind of adds the fear factor like catholicism does in getting to do the works of catholicism. Same rudiment, but claiming his rudiment is based on the teachings of Christ. I still call that as labouring in unbelief, but that is what fear and doubt will do to insecure believers when they divide that singular hope in Jesus Christ as their Saviour that they are saved as in past tense wherein instead of applying faith in Jesus to be their Good Shepherd in helping them to follow Him, leaning on Him for the understanding of His words in the King James Bible, in being His disciple, they wind up using somebody else to be their "shepherd" in being their disciple where they wind up working for their salvation. Where is the Good News in that? Suc is a description of a thief, allowing someobody else or an organization be the route for which believer relate to God when we are to relate personally to God only through Jesus Christ. That is why He is called te Bridegroom.
His disciples are to teach all that Jesus had taught us, but they are also taught to rely on Jesus Christ to be their Good Shepherd as the disciples do. Disciples were never to govern but to be examples by being servants.
Mark 10:42 But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. 43 But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister: 44 And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all. 45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Like politicians as public servants, errant "leaders" that oppress insecure believers with their false teachings hope that these followers will not see them doing as they teach them to do as they profit off of them. Jesus would say this:
Matthew 23:1Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Here, Dave is pushing the commandment of Jesus' to be his disciple by giving everything up and live by faith and yet giving it all up to Dave is not showing Dave as doing the same thing since he is pretty much living off of these members' sacrifices.
I mean: he claims he is 70: that passed the retirement age for working. You guys are saying he is moving around alot., but somehow he has time to be on teh computer and at different sites: and for that to occur, he has to have a computer so he can't really say he has given everything up for Jesus to be His disciple: he has to pay for his computer services: he has a wife to take care of: he has shelter to house that computer in: he has not really shown anyone what it means to literally give up everything in the way he is using Luke 14:33 to mean and so hopefully, his members will see that and stop supporting him since he is not the "Jesus Christ" that they should be giving everything up to.
The thing is: it is a members read only forum so you have to join in order to access the forum to read so you can't really just visit and watch. So in that way, no one can see and certianly no authority can see him hoodwinking or browbeating members into giving up everything.
Titus 1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
This is what Dave is not doing:
1 Peter 5:2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; 3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being examples to the flock.
This should be applicable towards all such "cultic leaders" and "cultic organizations".
I have seen earlier in this thread that links to Dave's site had been posted: but not this one, I don't think. I did not read all of the 105 pages in this thread just so you know. The registration agreement has the servor in France from what I could recall.Jesus Christians
In any event, one can see from my experience of the controlling factor involved in just joining that forum.
In spite of the appearance of evil, we should pray for Dave. That is what Paul had taught, but He did say that we are to withdraw from those that follow not after the tradition taught of us: but yet count them not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother:
2 Thessalonians 3:1Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you: 2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith. 3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil. 4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you. 5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ. 6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. 7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;.....14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. 15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.
Jesus said it more harshly in case somebody was thinking of going back to minister to him:
Matthew 18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish. 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. 18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. 21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
Luke 17:1Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come! 2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. 3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. 4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.
I cannot see anyone talking to him when he has a set agenda and is so controlling. Only Jesus Christ can reach him now.
1 Timothy 2:1I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.