Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: rrmoderator ()
Date: May 02, 2015 07:03PM

Mike Jones:

Then you really know very little and have nothing much to base any of your opinions on, which are based upon your subjective feelings, rather than facts.

People posting here have much more knowledge and experience than you do and their opinions carry far more weight.

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This is more than Chris Butler
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: May 02, 2015 10:41PM

This is more than Chris Butler's group.

These days many persons in the US believe in some doctrine of karma and
reincarnation. Many submit to gurus.

And in some cases, keep this a secret from outsiders, knowing
that outsiders consider these doctrines cold hearted.

Too often, this gives rise to the belief that one is entitled to keep one's
actual beliefs secret from outsiders who are deemed inferior,
-- except for those who may be potential recruits.

And those outsiders who are rich and well connected enough to
be worth kissing up to.

But in American open society, this covert stance is dysfunctional.

BTW - here is the origin of the term 'candidate'.


If such a person runs for public office, voters should ask searching
questions about whether the candidate believes all human beings, rich
or poor, sick or well, have equal dignity.

This is not to 'hate religion' or 'discrimination against Hinduism'.

Some religions behave in ways that have political and social consequences
--see below the citations on Hindu caste discrimination in India.

This is information voters need to know -- to protect themselves.

A political candidate has become a public person and approaches
voters as customers.

A customer has the right to ask questions and have them
answered in full before casting the ballot.

Does a candidate for public office secretly regard you as
inferior, low in the karmic hierarchy, because you are poor,
you are ill, you are disabled?

Or homosexual?

A candidate who smilingly flatters for your vote while
privately regarding you as inferior because of your bad karma
-- you deserve to know this before casting your vote.

For in India, where the doctrine of karma and reincarnation originated
and where it remains culturally potent, this doctrine has given rise
to and supports the caste system.

Here is what the upper castes have reportedly done to dalits (outcastes)
who are now protesting the caste system that oppresses them.




America has problems enough.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: dharmabum ()
Date: May 03, 2015 02:31AM

Mike Jones:
The guru is like a hot knife, cutting out the imperfections of our false ego. It is not an easy process, not always pleasant, and sometimes outright painful. But what happens when we make it through? We surrender more to God's will, giving up our own and becoming more humbled by the whole process.

Deception is like a hot knife. There’s nothing more painful than to see your loved ones get skinned up alive, more hurting than your own. To watch how they are manipulated into investing precious time and resources, divesting them off their potentials and contribution to society and relationships, in the guise of serving God and learning supposedly healthy things like Yoga and vegetarianism. You are only young once, by the time these children grew up in the cult, it’s oftentimes too late to get back at things they’ve missed — like proper education and fostering good relationships with people around that genuinely loved them. Realizing how you have surrendered your will to a false master is like becoming a rape victim — too humiliating to admit and stigmatizing to carry on in everyday life, plus the added pain of getting disconnected from everyday people, who they saw as inferior and depraved. I have observed PTSD-like signs among exes and still active members who grew up in the cult, still suspicious and judgmental of just about everyone and everything — they are destroyed inside out; their brains automatically shut down when it gets to the issues of cults. To live life is tough enough, when you add on these false values, life becomes unbearably difficult oftentimes. So they hang in the fold or in the practice, to get that fleeting fix of euphoria, like a fish out of water. The saddest part is, no one could do anything about it.

Thank you, Mr. Ross for that great podcast interview:

Society needs to hear more about this issue that oftentimes fall under the radar because of obsession with political correctness and politeness. Thank you for your technical clarity in defining the aspects of and for being brave in calling cults cults.

To Mike Jones, don’t despair, I think you’ll still be fine, you can still attend pujas. Just cover your head with a paper bag and tell them you’re from France (Flashlight on Roaches, you’re a genius).

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: May 04, 2015 09:55AM

Many thanks and appreaciation to Dabcult and Flash for posting some incredibly important information.


The great lies of Butler, the great lies surrounding Tulsi, cannot last.
In the end the TRUTH will come out.

Find all the Tusli Gabbard material on the internet and in the comment sections, make sure and post this video.

In addition for your perusal, I offer a new manner of tracing the money for candidates.

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Use this tool to follow Tulsi Gabbard's money trail.

"Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth." - Buddha

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: May 04, 2015 10:20AM

Dear Mike Jones:

Please watch this video- it is dedicated to....the one YOU love....


Everyone else- please make this go is only fair, after all, to show the other side of the "Butler Bliss”.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Vera City ()
Date: May 08, 2015 05:11AM

Mike Jones:

Can you think of something you disagree with Chris Butler about?

Is there anything that in your opinion needs to be improved by Butler or the group?

According to many former members of the group, Butler has hurt people and exploited them. Isn't Butler accountable for his bad behavior? Or do you think he somehow is above accountability regarding anything he says or does?

Why does the exercise of free speech make you so upset? Are you against people exercising their right to free speech?

Is Chris Butler someone that in your mind must never be crticized and therefore no one has the right to be crtical of what he says and his behavior?

Please enlighten us.

Mike Jones,
It is clear that your sole purpose here was to invalidate the testimonies of people on this forum on behalf of your guru. Your audience is not the participants on this forum, who come here for a safe place to share their experiences. You came here as a recruitment trouble shooter in case any newbies or doubters come looking for information about Butler. I highly suspect that you are very close to Butler. You know the Butler philosophy very well and use a lot of "trigger phrases" or "thought stopping" phrases to smudge critical thinking.

I find your example of a mother dying of cancer a curious one. Butler's mom died of cancer and his absurd reactions and insensitivity is well documented in Willis Butler's book, "Barbara".

One of your arguments was that you did not see any visible abuse amongst your peers in the group. If you imagine cults solely peopled by zombies and weirdos, you would be wrong. Cults attract many good people; the productive, intelligent, and creative. So you meet a lot of interesting people in cults. Butler does not deal with you unless they have useful skills or money. Followers are led to believe that they have a higher purpose, so you will see enthusiasm and passion. The problem is that ultimately the mission only serves the guru and not the follower. The problem is that it is based on a lie. It is based on accepting that Butler is infallible.

Using social proof as evidence is a weak argument and a marketing technique. It's one of the oldest advertising tricks ever used. It drives social media, propaganda, and all exploitive agendas. It sells anything from toothpaste to political movements.

So no, Mike, you can not measure a man by "feelings" and "social proof".

The driving motivation is the promise of "enlightenment" if one perfects their service to guru and sufficiently surrenders all their time, love, talents, money, efforts to guru. It's a lovely, unattainable con. It's rife with Gordian Knots. It's like "Waiting for Godot". Google it.

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Red Right Hand
Posted by: Vera City ()
Date: May 08, 2015 05:24AM

Ha. Reminds me of Butler.

Nick Cave's Red Right Hand

You'll see him in your nightmares,
you'll see him in your dreams
He'll appear out of nowhere but
he ain't what he seems
You'll see him in your head,
on the TV screen
And hey buddy, I'm warning
you to turn it off
He's a ghost, he's a god,
he's a man, he's a guru
You're one microscopic cog
in his catastrophic plan
Designed and directed by
his red right hand

"Red Right Hand" reimagined as a Dr Suess

Flash - feel free to use.

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Cult Member Attacks President Obama
Date: May 15, 2015 10:36AM

“…One of the toughest critics of President Obama’s strategy against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) is Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, a Democrat who represents his home state of Hawaii.

(Secretive Cult Member) Gabbard has taken the administration to task for refusing to use the term “radical Islam” and called for the White House to be more aggressive.

In an interview with The Hill, Gabbard said she has spoken to the White House about her criticism, though she has yet to speak with Obama himself…

I can imagine Jagad Guru with one of his typical profane outbursts: “Get a hold of $#*% Tulsi right now and order her to tell that $#*% Obama to use the phrase $#*% “radical Islam”. That $#*% Punahou jerk is losing the war on terror. $#*% Tulsi has bigger balls than that $#*% pansy”

This is classic Chris Butler and is all the evidence we need to show why he wanted his very own member of Congress. But what about Tulsi’s hypocrisy on display here? She expects Obama to be more precise in his description when she masquerades as a “Hindu” while she is actually a “radical Hare Krishna”.

My article here: []


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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: May 17, 2015 06:29AM

Hi everyone, It's been about 300 pages since I was here last, I have not seen anything yet but as far as I know an article came out today by Bevan Hurley in the Auckland Sunday Star Times newspaper all about the Chris Butler cult. I spoke to Bevan, gave him a lot to work with and even got an official response from Science Of Identity concerning myself, (Rama Ranson) and Patrick Bowler a.k.a Paramahamsa Das a.k.a. PARAMAHAMSA DA DRUG SMUGGLA, his new rapper identity I expect to see marketed from the cult after their super shady Villa Getaways goes under.

So if anyone has anyone with feet on the ground in NZ, see if we got some action in the paper there.

Thanks to EVERYONE for all the brilliant efforts here over the last decade, a true wealth of evidence of the true nature of the Butler cult.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: May 17, 2015 06:39AM

Religious sect plans development in MacKenzie Basin

BEVAN HURLEY Last updated 05:00, May 17 2015


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