Beware the internet sock puppets...when the fire gets too close to home, and their constructed Stories...
over on the Guruphiliac forum, jgf75 is making some interesting comments.
jgf75 again wants to continue to create smoke and distraction, by saying that the posters moderate this forum? Are you kidding? People post anything they want, moderation is up to the moderator, not the posters.
Its all about freedom of thought, contary to the CENSORED and CLOSED byron katie open forum, and the censored byron katie books by Stephen Mitchell. The comedy continues.
[Someone should post the censored material from the closed Byron Katie forum on that Guruphiliac site, and see if it lasts.]
jgf75 ...is this the same person who spoke about "suicide" before? Why bring up the suicide comments in relation to a BK seminar?
and guess, what? jgf75 says $5,000 is a good deal for the BK LGAT seminar. FALSE.
Those fees exclude travel, "donations" which can be in the thousands, and not to mention lost wages.
On top of that, people get sold more "coaching" and everything else.
What about taxes?
So $6,000 is the minimum, with "gifts" it could be $10,000 at least, and much much more.
How much is a wedding ring worth, that people hand-over?
How about 8-10 days lost wages? What about the upselling? What about the mental-breakdown costs?
What a joke. These LGAT seminars are an extreme RIP-OFF.
and they are very dangerous and damaging.
Anyone who says an LGAT seminar is not a rip-off, is working for the LGAT seminar in their sales department.
And yes, poor Katie works 12 hrs a day...and deserves to make $8,000 an hr. (100K a day)
Byron Katie needs to make $1-2 million per School for the Work, depending on attendees and "donations".
She also can't afford to pay her "Staff" either...more comedy.
Its just about raking in the cash for the seminar, like all the other LGAT's.
Notice how jgf75 is constantly cross-referencing the prices of the other LGAT's? Who jacked up the BKI seminar prices, right around the time of the BK marriage? Who jacked the prices up, to the same rip-off rates, as the other rip-off LGAT's? interesting.
another falsehood is about the 12 hr days. Its 12 hrs due to the LGAT "brainwashing" system, All LGAT's run for 12-16 hrs to make people overtired, as they are starving with no food or protein or sleep, as then you do insane manic things, like hand over your laptop computer, and wedding rings, and sign up for coaching contracts you can't get out of.
BYRON KATIE = MARY POPPINS
Notice how jgf75 picked up on the Mary Poppins image induction, written by Michael Katz.
Byron Katie, Mary Poppins, P.L Travers, Gurdjieff The Work,
"was it Mary Poppins crossed with a Zen master?"
Very very interesting. No one else has spoken about it yet, other than those who wrote it in the book. Do a search.
Michael Katz and Stephen Mitchell loved their clever little Mary Poppins pre-frame induction. They thought it was brilliant.
They don't like having their little mind-tricks exposed? Kinda wrecks it? ya think?
Hey jgf75, why don't you ask Michael Katz why he used the detailed and specific Mary Poppins imagery in the intro preframe to the book? Ask Michael Katz, he wrote it.
Ask Katz about his amateurish, clumsy use of language-imagery persuasion, as explained above.
Lets get the full-text, and the text can be analyzed in detail, sentence by sentence. Michael Katz will love that. Thanks for the idea!
Or maybe Michael Katz will explain it? Don't hold your breath, or maybe he already is.
OMG, just read what jgf75 posted about hypnosis!! LOL!
That is classic! jgf75 says he consulted with some hypnotherapists who trained with Carol Erickson? Which ones? Names please.
You mean the ones who work for Byron Katie? hahaha...that is a good one.
Shall we list the hypnotherapists who are Facilitators for Byron Katie? Good idea, thx!
What these hypnotherapists are doing with the Stories within Stories, is exactly as has been expounded here, including their language patterns, and the rest of it.
Why don't you get one of these consulting "hypotherapists" to debate the facts? Really open it up?
And take note, Byron Katie is ABUSING and TWISTING the methods of Ericksonian hypnotherapy Teaching Tales, mixed in with other techniques, as explained in great detail.
They fear the "Teaching Tale" aspect of the Byron Katie method will get out in the public mind, and really mess things up. Those BK Stories ain't gonna work, when people are sitting there analyzing them, and looking at them. Which is why they want to try and DISTRACT from that fact. That could kill it.
My god, the BS the BK folks try to pull, its truly amazing. Its literally like saying during a full moon...THERE IS NO MOON IN THE SKY.
They are afraid.
They know that the facts can kill illusion.
And if Michael Katz and Stephen Mitchell are angry that their amateurish attempts have been unmasked, who's fault is that? Look in the mirror.
Not everyone who learned these advanced tech thinks is ok to use them ruthlessly on soccer moms to extract massive amounts of cash, and literally rip people apart with Soul-Surgery.
Ethical people think that is very disturbed behavior. Even sociopathic, not to mention extreme cowardice.
Notice they won't claim they are using the hypnotherapy techniques to HELP people. They will say they are NOT using anything at all. :-)
Its so outrageous, it makes the Emperors New Clothes look like a joke.
What's a good metaphor...ah..yes...
In hypnotherapy, hypnosis and NLP, there is what is called a...
Negative Hallucination. (search google for it)
Due to a suggestion, its literally not seeing what is in plain-sight.
"Negative hallucination is the active erasure of a perception; it produces a gap in reality, or a vague impression of unreality.
The term first appeared in "Psychical (or Mental) Treatment" (Freud, 1890), an article relating to hypnosis. Freud wrote that it was possible to suggest to a hypnotized subject that he or she not see a person or thing that would be present to the subject upon awakening; in such cases the object appears to be "thin air" (p. 297). Freud borrowed this notion from Hippolyte Bernheim, with whom he studied to perfect his hypnotic technique."
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/22/2009 10:45AM by The Anticult.