Re: Byron Katie and Stuart Resnick aka RandomStu
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: April 24, 2009 04:45AM
on other forums, some folks are wondering what Stuart Resnick is up to, and even if he believes in advanced persuasion techniques in groups and cults.
The reality is that RandomStu has reached a point, where he has to be carefully looked into himself.
RandomStu is not an objective guru analyzer, he is not a critical thinker.
He is not even on "the peoples" side in this cult abuse stuff.
Stuart Resnick spent 5 years with the Siddha Yoga (SYDA) cult of guru Muktananda and Gurumayi. Was he on "Staff"?
in 1997, Dan Shaw and Resnick are making comments...and this is what RandomStu says...
Why doesn't he apply that to Seung Sahn and his sexual abuses? Its just about self-interest. Your guru bad, my current guru good. my current friends guru good too.
QUOTE: "But in Siddha Yoga, the guru herself is at the center of the practices &
beliefs. So once one sees the guru's flaws, there's nothing left of the
doctrine. (I supposed if you discovered that *Jesus* had a Swiss bank account...
that would be a parallel.) "
[groups.google.com]
Stuart Resnick is now a "teacher" of a very abusive form of so-called Zen.
Its interesting he calls his blog...so-called spiritual life.
That seems accurate...so-called spiritual.
Stuart Resnick has detailed and extensive knowledge of many of the techniques that get used by the Staff Leaders on the disciples. He's been involved in that for many years.
He is also completely indoctrinated in the abusive so-called Zen teachings and very very harsh "brainwashing" tactics of the Kwan Um School of Zen from Seung Sahn. [forum.culteducation.com]
Seung Sahn himself used the exact same techniques on his followers, that you see RandomStu using today, to try and distract them from what he is doing to them. Some of it is ancient old-school Dominance stuff, some much more current.
So yes, RandomStu knows all about the various techniques that the Master uses on the disciple, he clearly sees himself as the Master by this point. He is also indocrinated himself in the same techniques, as he is been in them for his entire life.
a full objective analysis of RandomStu is in order.
In a way, some of the soft-apologists are even more damaging than the Guru's, as they are used in recruitment, and deflection.
You will see RandomStu, tends to deliberately point AWAY from the real issues, to exaggerate and make false comparisons, to always deflect away from the precise persuasion techniques being used.
That again, is the (Seung Sahn) Kwan Um School of Zen method.
It amounts to trying to harshly beat-down people's ability to think for themselves based on facual evidence, and then to follow the dysfunctional Zen Master.
What is ironic, is that the basic position of RandomStu, and other selective apologists is:
...hey, don't be a weak-minded idiot and let these cult Guru's take over your life...and if you do then its your fault...
Obviously, that is false, on so many levels.
First off, the first blame needs to go onto the backs of the manipulative, dishonest, cultish Guru's, that are abusing and harming people in the first place, by using advanced deception, trickery, coercion, and lies.
Most importantly, how do people learn how to NOT get scammed? Sites that point out the SPECIFIC techniques the guru's, are really the only way for people to stop getting duped. You can't escape from a specific technique, until you at least can describe it, and understand it. So by specifically spelling out the exact techniques, you can escape from them.
So EDUCATION and learning, is the key.
So that is why Stuart Resnick constantly tries to cloud the water of analysis around the specific techniques being used. It because in order for them to work, people have to be ignorant of the techniques. He will point to SOME techniques, but not the ones he is using.
So if you want to be a Guru, your first lesson is to distract from your techniques.
Its really the same as a stage magician, who also uses misdirection, to distract the mental focus of the audience away from the hand that is doing the trick. Then it looks like magic.
So that is basically all that RandomStu, and many others do.
Misdirection, and creating confusion.
Blaming the victim and denial are also essential as well.
Woe to those who end up in this type of so-called "Zen" center. They will empty your mind, alright, then fill it up with what they want in it.
Stuart Resnick needs his own little subsection at this point. There seems to be a cottage industry of so-called Guru analyzers, who are not intellectually honest, but just bash the Guru's they dislike, and create Misdirection around their own guru and his friends, and business associates.
What do they get in return? They get approval by the guru's they favor, and maybe a few cookies, internet jobs, maybe a plane ticket to Amsterdam...who knows...
But its the power of the knowledge of the tech, that can corrupt anyone.
and the most important thing to do for a wannabe guru, is to misdirect people from the hand that is doing the persuasion magic, with random noise and distractions.
its time to collate the file on RandomStu.
Notice the deliberate blind-spot they all have on their websites, for example.
Does Steven Sashen have a critical thinking area on his website? or an area on sales methods? of course not, that is his bread and butter. If Sashen sold a course on internet sales/marketing tech, it would show the various methods he uses. Maybe he does sell that course, but on another website?
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/24/2009 04:56AM by The Anticult.
The reality is that RandomStu has reached a point, where he has to be carefully looked into himself.
RandomStu is not an objective guru analyzer, he is not a critical thinker.
He is not even on "the peoples" side in this cult abuse stuff.
Stuart Resnick spent 5 years with the Siddha Yoga (SYDA) cult of guru Muktananda and Gurumayi. Was he on "Staff"?
in 1997, Dan Shaw and Resnick are making comments...and this is what RandomStu says...
Why doesn't he apply that to Seung Sahn and his sexual abuses? Its just about self-interest. Your guru bad, my current guru good. my current friends guru good too.
QUOTE: "But in Siddha Yoga, the guru herself is at the center of the practices &
beliefs. So once one sees the guru's flaws, there's nothing left of the
doctrine. (I supposed if you discovered that *Jesus* had a Swiss bank account...
that would be a parallel.) "
[groups.google.com]
Stuart Resnick is now a "teacher" of a very abusive form of so-called Zen.
Its interesting he calls his blog...so-called spiritual life.
That seems accurate...so-called spiritual.
Stuart Resnick has detailed and extensive knowledge of many of the techniques that get used by the Staff Leaders on the disciples. He's been involved in that for many years.
He is also completely indoctrinated in the abusive so-called Zen teachings and very very harsh "brainwashing" tactics of the Kwan Um School of Zen from Seung Sahn. [forum.culteducation.com]
Seung Sahn himself used the exact same techniques on his followers, that you see RandomStu using today, to try and distract them from what he is doing to them. Some of it is ancient old-school Dominance stuff, some much more current.
So yes, RandomStu knows all about the various techniques that the Master uses on the disciple, he clearly sees himself as the Master by this point. He is also indocrinated himself in the same techniques, as he is been in them for his entire life.
a full objective analysis of RandomStu is in order.
In a way, some of the soft-apologists are even more damaging than the Guru's, as they are used in recruitment, and deflection.
You will see RandomStu, tends to deliberately point AWAY from the real issues, to exaggerate and make false comparisons, to always deflect away from the precise persuasion techniques being used.
That again, is the (Seung Sahn) Kwan Um School of Zen method.
It amounts to trying to harshly beat-down people's ability to think for themselves based on facual evidence, and then to follow the dysfunctional Zen Master.
What is ironic, is that the basic position of RandomStu, and other selective apologists is:
...hey, don't be a weak-minded idiot and let these cult Guru's take over your life...and if you do then its your fault...
Obviously, that is false, on so many levels.
First off, the first blame needs to go onto the backs of the manipulative, dishonest, cultish Guru's, that are abusing and harming people in the first place, by using advanced deception, trickery, coercion, and lies.
Most importantly, how do people learn how to NOT get scammed? Sites that point out the SPECIFIC techniques the guru's, are really the only way for people to stop getting duped. You can't escape from a specific technique, until you at least can describe it, and understand it. So by specifically spelling out the exact techniques, you can escape from them.
So EDUCATION and learning, is the key.
So that is why Stuart Resnick constantly tries to cloud the water of analysis around the specific techniques being used. It because in order for them to work, people have to be ignorant of the techniques. He will point to SOME techniques, but not the ones he is using.
So if you want to be a Guru, your first lesson is to distract from your techniques.
Its really the same as a stage magician, who also uses misdirection, to distract the mental focus of the audience away from the hand that is doing the trick. Then it looks like magic.
So that is basically all that RandomStu, and many others do.
Misdirection, and creating confusion.
Blaming the victim and denial are also essential as well.
Woe to those who end up in this type of so-called "Zen" center. They will empty your mind, alright, then fill it up with what they want in it.
Stuart Resnick needs his own little subsection at this point. There seems to be a cottage industry of so-called Guru analyzers, who are not intellectually honest, but just bash the Guru's they dislike, and create Misdirection around their own guru and his friends, and business associates.
What do they get in return? They get approval by the guru's they favor, and maybe a few cookies, internet jobs, maybe a plane ticket to Amsterdam...who knows...
But its the power of the knowledge of the tech, that can corrupt anyone.
and the most important thing to do for a wannabe guru, is to misdirect people from the hand that is doing the persuasion magic, with random noise and distractions.
its time to collate the file on RandomStu.
Notice the deliberate blind-spot they all have on their websites, for example.
Does Steven Sashen have a critical thinking area on his website? or an area on sales methods? of course not, that is his bread and butter. If Sashen sold a course on internet sales/marketing tech, it would show the various methods he uses. Maybe he does sell that course, but on another website?
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/24/2009 04:56AM by The Anticult.
Re: Byron Katie and Stuart Resnick aka RandomStu
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: April 24, 2009 05:21AM
that's the magic trick!
;-)
this is how you do it...
You point to the most obvious abusive con-men, criminals and child-rapists who call themselves guru's, like Sai Baba. They become the bad-guys.
But then you misdirect away from the much more sophisticated LGAT groups, who actually make MORE money than the old-school religious cults in robes. The modern so-called anti-guru LGAT groups, which are not classical "cults" with shaved heads, make 10x the money of those other old-school cults.
They use far MORE powerful techniques, most of which are very hard to see, and are literally invisible.
Its also convenient when many of your friends and Guru's friends, OWN and personally-profit from these much more sophisticated LGAT style groups, like RandomStu friends connection to the Byron Katie group.
;-)
Anyone can point to Sai Baba or Sri Sri, and the obvious criminals running amok.
But notice how these same so-called guru critics, do go after guys like Eckhart Tolle, and more modern people.
But hands-off Byron Katie...she's a close friend, and friends do her stuff for a living! And there are MILLIONS of dollars being raked in, lots of it in cash.
Its just bias, due to money.
Big money does corrupt people...imagine that. You mean the poker game of life is corrupted by big money? you don't say...
;-)
this is how you do it...
You point to the most obvious abusive con-men, criminals and child-rapists who call themselves guru's, like Sai Baba. They become the bad-guys.
But then you misdirect away from the much more sophisticated LGAT groups, who actually make MORE money than the old-school religious cults in robes. The modern so-called anti-guru LGAT groups, which are not classical "cults" with shaved heads, make 10x the money of those other old-school cults.
They use far MORE powerful techniques, most of which are very hard to see, and are literally invisible.
Its also convenient when many of your friends and Guru's friends, OWN and personally-profit from these much more sophisticated LGAT style groups, like RandomStu friends connection to the Byron Katie group.
;-)
Anyone can point to Sai Baba or Sri Sri, and the obvious criminals running amok.
But notice how these same so-called guru critics, do go after guys like Eckhart Tolle, and more modern people.
But hands-off Byron Katie...she's a close friend, and friends do her stuff for a living! And there are MILLIONS of dollars being raked in, lots of it in cash.
Its just bias, due to money.
Big money does corrupt people...imagine that. You mean the poker game of life is corrupted by big money? you don't say...
Quote
helpme2times
I'd like to add that on his "so-called life" website, Stuart speaks of cults and the like, as if they really do exist as problems! (Alas, he keeps dismissing the power of cults in discussions of Byron Katie.)
From Stuart's website on cults and such:Quote
EXes and ANTIs: Rick Ross has tons of info on destructive cults, skewering Sri Chinmoy and many others. Get the latest world-wide updates from the Cult News Network.
Re: Byron Katie and Stuart Resnick aka RandomStu
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: April 24, 2009 06:12AM
by the way, here is a sure-thing poker bet.
See if there is any place, where RandomStu ever admits that Byron Katie uses ANY of the various LGAT Tech she uses. (or Steven Sashen, or Carol Skolnick, for that matter).
He's not going to do admit it.
He will tap-dance until the Judgement Day, but he will never admit or even acknowledge the LGAT techniques and social influence tech BK uses, as to do so, destroys the entire Byron Katie idiot savant illusion.
He will simply continue to ignore any question along those lines, as he has done, create confusion, victim-blaming, and post distractions and misdirection away from the core issues.
He even went as far as to pretend he doesn't know Stephen Mitchell, which was a laughable bluff tactic.
Considering that Stephen Mitchell was the first western ordained "monk" of his guru Seung Sahn.
Stephen Mitchell, Mu Gak SuNim, Seung Sahn
[forum.culteducation.com]
well, it goes to show that some folks are more than willing to follow the commands from the top, to reap the benefits of being a good soldier.
See if there is any place, where RandomStu ever admits that Byron Katie uses ANY of the various LGAT Tech she uses. (or Steven Sashen, or Carol Skolnick, for that matter).
He's not going to do admit it.
He will tap-dance until the Judgement Day, but he will never admit or even acknowledge the LGAT techniques and social influence tech BK uses, as to do so, destroys the entire Byron Katie idiot savant illusion.
He will simply continue to ignore any question along those lines, as he has done, create confusion, victim-blaming, and post distractions and misdirection away from the core issues.
He even went as far as to pretend he doesn't know Stephen Mitchell, which was a laughable bluff tactic.
Considering that Stephen Mitchell was the first western ordained "monk" of his guru Seung Sahn.
Stephen Mitchell, Mu Gak SuNim, Seung Sahn
[forum.culteducation.com]
well, it goes to show that some folks are more than willing to follow the commands from the top, to reap the benefits of being a good soldier.
WARNING: Stephen Mitchell, Byron Katie (the Work) manipulation tactics
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: April 24, 2009 07:02AM
(repost)
[Warning about Stephen Mitchell's methods]
manipulative tactics from Stephen Mitchell in email
[forum.culteducation.com]
QUOTE: "Dear Janaki, I thought you’d get a kick out of this. Love, Stephen"
[forum.culteducation.com]
[Warning about Stephen Mitchell's methods]
manipulative tactics from Stephen Mitchell in email
[forum.culteducation.com]
QUOTE: "Dear Janaki, I thought you’d get a kick out of this. Love, Stephen"
[forum.culteducation.com]
Re: Byron Katie and Steven Sashen
Posted by:
helpme2times
()
Date: April 24, 2009 07:53AM
Quote
The Anticult
Does Steven Sashen have a critical thinking area on his website? or an area on sales methods? of course not, that is his bread and butter. If Sashen sold a course on internet sales/marketing tech, it would show the various methods he uses. Maybe he does sell that course, but on another website?
Steven Sashen has an article at Alternatives Magazine online, "Getting a New Perspective on Money".
Following the article, there's a blurb about Steven:
"Steven Sashen has taught with transformational visionaries Byron Katie and Gay and Kathlyn Hendricks. In addition to leading Quantum Wealth workshops, he maintains a private practice sharing The Work and Integrated Kabbalistic Healing. He’s a teacher in a 400-year-old Zen Archery lineage and has practiced Vipassana meditation for over 20 years. In the “Outer” world, Steven founded a multi-million dollar software company, is an internationally known Internet marketing consultant and co-founded the world’s most successful online Network Marketing company."
Internet marketing? Bingo!
[[url=http://www.alternativesmagazine.com/36/sashen.html]Getting a New Perspective on Money by Steven Sashen[/url]]
Re: Byron Katie and Steven Sashen
Posted by:
Pilot
()
Date: April 24, 2009 12:25PM
Quote
helpme2timesQuote
The Anticult
Does Steven Sashen have a critical thinking area on his website? or an area on sales methods? of course not, that is his bread and butter. If Sashen sold a course on internet sales/marketing tech, it would show the various methods he uses. Maybe he does sell that course, but on another website?
Steven Sashen has an article at Alternatives Magazine online, "Getting a New Perspective on Money".
Following the article, there's a blurb about Steven:
"Steven Sashen has taught with transformational visionaries Byron Katie and Gay and Kathlyn Hendricks. In addition to leading Quantum Wealth workshops, he maintains a private practice sharing The Work and Integrated Kabbalistic Healing. He’s a teacher in a 400-year-old Zen Archery lineage and has practiced Vipassana meditation for over 20 years. In the “Outer” world, Steven founded a multi-million dollar software company, is an internationally known Internet marketing consultant and co-founded the world’s most successful online Network Marketing company."
Internet marketing? Bingo!
[[url=http://www.alternativesmagazine.com/36/sashen.html]Getting a New Perspective on Money by Steven Sashen[/url]]
Bingo is right-who would do that ridiculous tap dance unless they were getting paid, the guy is making a fool of himself on guruphiliac, nobody is buying it. I wonder if they pay him by the word?
Re: Byron Katie (the Work) and Stephen Sashen and Stuart Resnick
Posted by:
helpme2times
()
Date: April 24, 2009 08:46PM
Hi Pilot, and thanks again for turning up that Janaki blog!
Sadly, people ARE "buying it". A number of people here have spoken about the problem with someone like Steven Sashen leading them into involvement with Byron Katie's "work".
Thankfully, Steven seems to be divorcing himself from Byron Katie completely. (It is my firm opinion that is a good thing.) Also thankfully, I haven't yet found Steven defending Byron Katie/The Work against criticism anywhere. (If anyone knows differently, please speak up!)
On the other hand, we have a far more pressing problem with someone like Stuart Resnick, who surely does seem to be deflecting any criticism online re Byron Katie.
Pilot, I suggest that you be very careful re what you say about these folks. You don't want to get slapped with a lawsuit! To maintain with certainty that certain people are getting paid by someone to make their posts... we can't really know that. It does seem that some people post on the net A LOT so as to MARKET themselves and draw in CUSTOMERS.
Ka-ching!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/24/2009 08:47PM by helpme2times.
Sadly, people ARE "buying it". A number of people here have spoken about the problem with someone like Steven Sashen leading them into involvement with Byron Katie's "work".
Thankfully, Steven seems to be divorcing himself from Byron Katie completely. (It is my firm opinion that is a good thing.) Also thankfully, I haven't yet found Steven defending Byron Katie/The Work against criticism anywhere. (If anyone knows differently, please speak up!)
On the other hand, we have a far more pressing problem with someone like Stuart Resnick, who surely does seem to be deflecting any criticism online re Byron Katie.
Pilot, I suggest that you be very careful re what you say about these folks. You don't want to get slapped with a lawsuit! To maintain with certainty that certain people are getting paid by someone to make their posts... we can't really know that. It does seem that some people post on the net A LOT so as to MARKET themselves and draw in CUSTOMERS.
Ka-ching!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/24/2009 08:47PM by helpme2times.
Re: Byron Katie (the Work) and Eckhart Tolle Legit??
Posted by:
corboy
()
Date: April 24, 2009 09:29PM
From the comments section on August 1st, following Chapter 28 of Marta Szabo's blog,
The Guru Looked Good. You will have to read it via Google cache:
First, some history:
The quoted material is from comments posted August 1, 2007, right when many members of that comments section were talking about legal action against Gurumayi (leader of SYDA Yoga, successor to Muktananda of Siddha Yoga), if SYDA continued its attempts to get Marta Szabo to remove her SYDA yoga memoir from public view.
SYDA and very likely, Gurumayi (aka Malti) alleged that during Marta's time at SYDA
Marta signed a confidentiality/nondisclosure contract.
In Chapter 28 Marta describes being present when the SYDA people were planning ways to do spin control when the New Yorker article expose on Siddha Yoga was about to hit the stands.
SYDA threatened legal action to make Marta take her memoir down.
Instead, this backfired, backfired magnificently. This threat to Marta rallied a community of support, among those persons already contributing to the comments section. Yet more readers appeared, who might not otherwise have known about all this. Other people volunteered to donate to a legal defense fund, should Marta need representation.
Still others said they were ready to distribute copies of the blog all over cyberspace.
As more former SY persons joined the discussion, a support community formed--and new disclosures became public.
Yet others others began to describe their own connections to federal law enforcement authorities, DAs and made reminders that Gurumayi remains a foreign national, etc.
It may not have been the first time Stuart made contributions to Marta's blog, but it was in this context, when legal issues and options were being discussed that SR made the following comments.
[209.85.173.132]
Some comments:
Note: Stuart refers to SYDA as a 'weak and discreditted orgnaization. But...it still had the resources to hint at legal action against Marta, and it owns propertly in South Fallsberg New York and an ashram in India. Plus it is a decades old organization that could accumulate tax free wealth thanks to its status as a religious non profit. This is not a 'weak and discredited organization. Had it been a weak and discredited organization, the New Yorker magazine would not have spent so much time and space on Liz Harris' article, and the magazine would not have had to go through so much trouble coping with SYDA's lawyers.)
Two:
"There will be no more "innocent victims" of SYDA. Anyone foolish enough to ignore the info freely available on the net is being willfully ignorant.
Corboy reply: When people try to get information about guru abuses onto the net so that it is freely available, look how hard it is to do this.
Guru loyalists show up online whenever anyone attempts to make reports of guru abuse "freely available" -- the guru loyalists show up to prevent such information from becoming "freely available"!
Attempts
to publish this guru abuse information online and share it online is met with distractionary tactics or various forms of blame-the-victim/pity-&-excuse-the-perpetrator rhetoric.
The only way to accumulate such information long term is for the discussion community to be moderated so as to nip schoolyard bullying in the bud and allow others to bear witness.
[74.125.95.132]
PS: Marta's blog memoir not only remained in cyberspace, but she has now published it in book form--The Guru Looked Good.
Edited 7 time(s). Last edit at 01/23/2018 06:41AM by corboy.
The Guru Looked Good. You will have to read it via Google cache:
First, some history:
The quoted material is from comments posted August 1, 2007, right when many members of that comments section were talking about legal action against Gurumayi (leader of SYDA Yoga, successor to Muktananda of Siddha Yoga), if SYDA continued its attempts to get Marta Szabo to remove her SYDA yoga memoir from public view.
SYDA and very likely, Gurumayi (aka Malti) alleged that during Marta's time at SYDA
Marta signed a confidentiality/nondisclosure contract.
In Chapter 28 Marta describes being present when the SYDA people were planning ways to do spin control when the New Yorker article expose on Siddha Yoga was about to hit the stands.
SYDA threatened legal action to make Marta take her memoir down.
Instead, this backfired, backfired magnificently. This threat to Marta rallied a community of support, among those persons already contributing to the comments section. Yet more readers appeared, who might not otherwise have known about all this. Other people volunteered to donate to a legal defense fund, should Marta need representation.
Still others said they were ready to distribute copies of the blog all over cyberspace.
As more former SY persons joined the discussion, a support community formed--and new disclosures became public.
Yet others others began to describe their own connections to federal law enforcement authorities, DAs and made reminders that Gurumayi remains a foreign national, etc.
It may not have been the first time Stuart made contributions to Marta's blog, but it was in this context, when legal issues and options were being discussed that SR made the following comments.
[209.85.173.132]
Quote
Stuart said...
There's some amazing irony here. The attempt by SYDA to silence Marta's blog does much much more to demonstrate the craziness of that organization than anything Marta could write herself. If there's anything untrue in this blog, why doesn't SYDA just offer an opposing view? If all they can do is try to make the blog disappear, it's strong evidence that they've got no counter to the stories revealed here.
I'm confident that SYDA's attempt to "cover-up" what Marta is sharing will result in much more publicity than this blog would otherwise every get.
I left SYDA in 1984, long before all this took place. The Reiki story is completely news to me. Did those folks really believe that Reiki could stop the publication of a New Yorker article?? If so, then the guru and her circle clearly aren't a cabal of evil geniuses. They're sadly disconnected from reality.
Maybe they're now just trying to hide their embarassment in believing in such silly voodoo?
Stuart
[home.comcast.net]
[stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com]
August 1, 2007 11:05 AM (then, 8 minutes later, Stuart followed this with another post)Stuart said...
(quote’s another correspondant who had written)
There are other high powered law firms in the United States that would be more than happy to go after Siddha in hopes of a big payday. This is bound to happen sooner or later, and when it does it could bring down the entire organization in the United States.(unquote)
(stuart now replies)SYDA is a weak and discreditted organization. There's no need to try to "bring it down." Everyone already knows to check the internet before signing there money and time away to SYDA or any "spiritual" group. Thanks to Martas blog, LSY, Yahoo groups, etc, anyone can get all the information they need about SYDA already.
There will be no more "innocent victims" of SYDA. Anyone foolish enough to ignore the info freely available on the net is being willfully ignorant. There's no problem at all with the SYDA organization continuing to exist. People can decide for themselves whether it's the type of movement they want to support.
(Corboy's boldface for emphasis)
Stuart
[home.comcast.net]
[stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com]
August 1, 2007 11:14 AM
(one person posted next, about something else, altogether. Then Pendragon responded directly to Stuart)
Pendragon said...
(quote)stuart said:
"There will be no more "innocent victims" of SYDA. Anyone foolish enough to ignore the info freely available on the net is being willfully ignorant."
That may be so for some people, but what about the children who are brought in by their parents?(unquote)
Pendragon
August 1, 2007 12:22 PM
Stuart said...
(quote)
Pendragon said...
what about the children who are brought in by their parents?(unquote)
If we want (as I do) a tolerant, live-and-let-live society, then we've got to let other people do all sorts of stupid things. Hell, I think it's awful whenever a kid is brought up Catholic or Jewish. But for the sake of a tolerant society, I ought to give parents very wide range in making decisions for their kids.
Anonymous said...
I suppose leaving people alone to remain addicted to their harmful cult must translate as good intentions
Yes, absolutely! Everyone ought to be free to remain addicted to whatever harmful cult that they like. Anyone who tries to stop them is a hindrance to a tolerant society.
Sure, the inner intentions may be good. But when you force your values on others, the results are terrible... even when if you're doing it "for the children"!
Stuart
[home.comcast.net]
[stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com]
August 1, 2007 2:14 PM
Some comments:
Note: Stuart refers to SYDA as a 'weak and discreditted orgnaization. But...it still had the resources to hint at legal action against Marta, and it owns propertly in South Fallsberg New York and an ashram in India. Plus it is a decades old organization that could accumulate tax free wealth thanks to its status as a religious non profit. This is not a 'weak and discredited organization. Had it been a weak and discredited organization, the New Yorker magazine would not have spent so much time and space on Liz Harris' article, and the magazine would not have had to go through so much trouble coping with SYDA's lawyers.)
Two:
"There will be no more "innocent victims" of SYDA. Anyone foolish enough to ignore the info freely available on the net is being willfully ignorant.
Corboy reply: When people try to get information about guru abuses onto the net so that it is freely available, look how hard it is to do this.
Guru loyalists show up online whenever anyone attempts to make reports of guru abuse "freely available" -- the guru loyalists show up to prevent such information from becoming "freely available"!
Attempts
to publish this guru abuse information online and share it online is met with distractionary tactics or various forms of blame-the-victim/pity-&-excuse-the-perpetrator rhetoric.
The only way to accumulate such information long term is for the discussion community to be moderated so as to nip schoolyard bullying in the bud and allow others to bear witness.
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PS: Marta's blog memoir not only remained in cyberspace, but she has now published it in book form--The Guru Looked Good.
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Re: Byron Katie (the Work) and Stuart Resnick
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helpme2times
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Date: April 24, 2009 10:18PM
Wow Corboy, excellent information about Stuart Resnick and the SYDA folks.
Whew.
That "willfully ignorant" remark from Stuart is so ludicrous, it's laughable.
So many angles from which to take go at that... I'll pick one... is he so insulated from the world at large that he doesn't realize there are a fair share of folks who don't use the internet? There are people who get The Work recommended to them by a friend who is internet-active but they're not. I know of one such person.
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Whew.
That "willfully ignorant" remark from Stuart is so ludicrous, it's laughable.
So many angles from which to take go at that... I'll pick one... is he so insulated from the world at large that he doesn't realize there are a fair share of folks who don't use the internet? There are people who get The Work recommended to them by a friend who is internet-active but they're not. I know of one such person.
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Re: Byron Katie (the Work) and Stephen Mitchell, "weird and perverted" Zen
Posted by:
scrambledeggs
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Date: April 25, 2009 02:15AM
Have you seen this? LA Times article on Stephen Mitchell. [www.latimes.com]
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