According to mr Iskcon hare krishna expert this is what I do on this forum. Truth wins, I have to be blunt with you now: I really wish you would not ramble all over this thread the way you ramble all over the Butler thread. I've been watching you do that for a long time, and I wish you would not do that here. The blunt truth is I do not give one single damn. After years of wal
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And I do not need to be an ex Iskcon member to see what a horrible insitution it is. My comment is not so off. Devotees can very well stand for injustices. I will let you educate everybody on Isckon. I had no intention of rambling. Do not worry. I am sick of arguing with total strangers on the bet anyway. To hell with Krishna consciousness. Have a wonderful week.
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Nice to see you again whirliwind under a different user name. Please do not play alpha dog with me. I am not really in the mood for that stuff. Let Rick decide to chastize the members. I am giving you a very gentle warning. Get off my back.
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“In a religious cult, the leader is perceived as a deity who is always divinely right, and the devotee, always on the verge of being sinfully wrong, comes to live for the sole purpose of pleasing and avoiding displeasing the guru/god. The leader's displeasure comes to mean for the member that he is unworthy, monstrously defective, and, therefore, dispensable. The member has been conditione
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The problem is that so called devotees are to bust bowing down and blissing out in order to battle the demons within the institutions. Because the greatest demons are they gurus who sit on the chair. They are too blind to see and THY SHALL NOT JUDGE other devotees or commit offenses. Thy shall never question guru even if he is an abuser. Dsicernment is not encouraged snd peoole live in fear
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You know. I have seen behind the veil of illusion. It is not for the faint at heart. Your whole world gets shattered. Including the sweet flowery words of any scriptures. I can assure you that this reality goes 10000000 times deeper than what the vedas tell us. It is not just because it has fallen into the hands of some surfer dudes who are unqualified. Even the Narayana Maharaja more adva
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The goverment puts you in jail if you don’t pay taxes and obey. The gods put you in a reincarceration jail if you do not worship, love and accept your eternal slavery (servitude is more appealing). Who is butler? An amazing tax collector for the gods. A tyrant who keeps you in your place as a slave. He makes you love your slavery and pushes you to offer your soul on a golden platter. Do you
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I had a very important realization. You spend yeara shedding the scars of abuse. All the times you stayed silent and let others destroy and walk all over you. Then you go from doormat to fury. You can no longer handle criticism. You no longer tolerate the slightest callousness. You no longer trust. You remember all the time noone stood up for you or you were afarid to stand up for others.
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This is an old song Slave to love And I can't escape I'm a slave to love This is exactly devotees suffer from. Slave to love. Afraid to lose that love and security. Even though when you are in it, you will kill and die for that transcendental bliss, it is slavery. When you are fine sitting with the most horrible emotions, this is where you find freedom. In the devotee comm
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It is hard to believe that some divine authorities truly care about those who love and worship them. SoI is a fear and pain factory. And this is surely very desirable. But one better shut up and not get too esoteric or else ghe bullets will fly. It is unimaginable that this man is sees as a pure medium of god. What god would allow this shit and fraud to go on? It is only 5000 years ago that
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Life is not that complex. SoI is like a toilet that smells decent because of spray. The good smelling spray is the lies, the mantras, the semi advanced teachings of the vedas, the good food, friendships, some laughter, the bliss… However when you take all the positives away it stinks like hell. The ones who are in that toilet are content. Our job is to try and help other souls not to fall f
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This message is for Ian and Run Forest run. I know I have been very up and down. Going from forgiveness to rage and vice versa. I no longer suffer from guilt or the Jesus symdrome. I am in this battle and will do my best to help those who are afraid to leave or have left. You and Rama have inpsired me to stay strong. I am no longer doubting that this is a noble cause. I know 100 percent t
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The fact that we were not even phased by the parasite cleanses, end of time pandemic scenarios, hearing disciples get crushed by him in lectures, accepting he married his disciple’s wife, the multiple vaccines to be around him, if you get a tattoo who must stay a way a few years from him…, tells me I was also mental. I have met a few people who ran away much faster. How is is it that we were fi
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My experiences with Krishna Consc have been very similar to the Adjustment Bureau based on Dick’s short story. Unfortunatley I must say my version is more fringe and harsher. Ultimately one must be “groomed” from birth in the porcess to even consider stepping in the role of Acarya. When an ex atheist white man takes the wheel in his late 20’s, this is what you get. The people who also became
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Obviously killing the masculanity of the devotees and turning them into mops that clean the floor, has not served a purpose. Maybe they will go to heaven but while they are here they must bow down to a tyrant like cowards. The issue with krishna consc is that they take the spiritual warfare too lightly. They think it is all sweet little maya, krishna’s sister. Oh am attracted to movies. It
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Butler treats devotees same way a pimp treats prostitutes. Not only you work for free and make money for him, he also has the right to slap and punish you. Masochism is a very severe disorder. Prostitutes get really attached to their pimps. They would sell their parents to stay with the pimp. The pimp kicks you and next day gives you a diamond. This is butler’s method. After he makes you c
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butler is an absolute Mk ultra genius that makes the goverments look like clowns. Teh cabal that clueless puppet tulsi speaks of all the time, needs to get trained by this parasitic guru. He has convinced his slaves that he is doing them a favor by using and abusing them. If you are hired to work for free 80 hours a week, it is a blessing sent by god. And whn your body falls apart, it is your
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There is nothing more pathetic than begging for love and bliss. When you accept to fall flat on your face in front of guru and deities, you may as wel also put beg on the streets. We embrace our slavery and then complain why we are treated like slaves. “The faithful are FEARLESS knwong Krishna is in control”. Yes sure buddy! They are still afaraid of a virus after 3 years beacuae they have b
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The vaishnava community is full of hypocrites SoI called iskcon dog stool and then shakes hands with them for money. Another guru have ex abused soi disciples and accepts donations from butler. What a bunch of spineless puppets. They are very far from god. No integrity. Noone is standing for justice. This is the kind of coward I had become there. If I knew that there is for sure a just god
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The anger many of us hold, is not truly against butler and his demonic minions. We are angry at ourselves for the lack of self respect and for being so stupid. We must take ownership of our own weakness. butler is nothing but a puppet. If he was not a puppet, he would have control over his own mind. butler and religions are meant to keep one small and helpless. devotees are meant to walk ar
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Religions do not even scratch the surface. Reality is closer to a movie called dark city. Devotees live in a lala land joke. They think all is arranged by one supreme being. Call the dude krishna, allah, jesus, jehovah… It is all a beautiful lie.
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A lot of these practices and beliefs are meant to keep people blind to what truly goes on in this reality. Things that no religion will ever talk about. While you focus on what to eat and not eat on Ekadasi, you are getting screwed by an unqualifies so called guru. As I said it before, this material world is a purgatory that the deities of the vedas claim they have invented. Then they give
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I just found out about this yesterday. There is such as thing as some strong soul connections, but to make money off the back of vulnerable people is disgusting. There are many twin flame gurus out there that charge between 150 to 300 or so for so called advice and readings. I am afraid we cannot protect everybody. I have fallen for a few non sensical new age bs and may have spent a few hund
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The hardest reality is to know that the cult will alwasy be with us. I never dream of my departed that I adored. However I often dream about SoI. Last night they were in my dreams and they had found something they may consider illicit in a box. Or when you see hare krishnas on the streets. It is something you learn how to live with but not so pleasant.
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If religions and spiritual practices offered zero rewards, people would not go through so many austerities. They are tools but they should not imprison you inside walls. Same with any beliefs. Like we chose to come here to learn. All these practices are put on earth in order to allow the soul to find their own path in a free will system. And most misuse their minds and free will in order to
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What is Ekadasi compared to Ramadan and staying dehydrarated the whole day and fast till sunset. Devotees have nothing to complain about with Ekadasi. Imagine staying thirsty in super hot temperatures. Just to prove your loyalty to god. Who the actual hell came up with all these rules and regulations. What has god done for humans other than putting us into this miserable material situation
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No human is qualified to lead thousands of followers. I think that at the time this process was established, guru had an intimate circle of disciples. It is insanity to micromanage so many people. No wonder butler has gone more and more crazy. This is truly an absolutely crazy system to have go guide and chastize sommany people. We all have that inner guidance with us 24/7. I could hear that
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I hear there is a woman in the Ukraine named Gauranga dasi. She is also known to be quite a tytant. She is the same as our leader. RIP. I have forgiven her. Her emotional torture costed her quite a bit and she legt with a much kinder heart. The business class of a smaller planes. Possibly the ones you take for 1 hour or 2 hours trip. Not Boeing. I don’t think anything is more ridiculous than
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For me the material world has always felt like a giant cult anyways since I was a child. This jungle has never been appealing. I finally thought I had found a reason for being here when I came across bhakti. When I look at butler’s face, I see the person who messed up a what could have been. I always blamed the controlling fury who was in charge of our center for messing up my spiritual life.
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Just googling I had the WTF feeling from the moment I became an insider. Things where fine when I was first love bombed. I thought I had landed in heaven. As soon as I was no longer a new person, the fangs came out. But nothing made me happier than telling them personally what a bunch of deranged assholes they are. I could not get these blind lunatic get away with thhinking they are fantastic
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