Lilith wrote: Proverbs 28:27 that certainly flies in the face of the conservative view of "why should I pay for someone else, I worked hard so should they". Well what if they can't? And this definitely places the greed of the TLWF leaders under a lens when the people had virtually nothing and were still called upon to give. Yes And there was a certain sadism in their attitud
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Grew up in a predominantly Hispanic neighborhood > in Indio...close to the railroad tracks. (Adobe > Road) > My parents got divorced when I was 12, and my Mom > raised her 4 kids while working as a school > teacher. > First summer job: McDonalds > Second summer job: working in Coachella
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The post that kicked off a very long, involved discussion. Since 'Altar_Kent' came forward, there has been 11,562 comments and 2,100,120 page views. Altar...if you're still out there, is this something you anticipated? :) Posted by: Altar_Kent Date: February 23, 2004 03:18PM Is anyone familiar with this movement? It is based in Kalona Iowa at a camp/compound called Shiloh
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Post by Reachingforward from January of 2019: Posted by: Reachingforward Date: January 10, 2019 09:20PM I have been reading this forum for several years and am finally making my first post. I was in TLWF for 22 years. It's been 20 years since I left and I still have a difficult time explaining this experience to anyone. Like so many on this forum, my family and I gave everything to T
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- A summary of a message Gary brought some months before the exposure of years of sexual abuse within TLWF (and its coverup) went public. It would be reasonable to assume this is a veiled threat toward those who believe the "lies"...implying that God will remove the "covering from their lives, " which
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This post by 'I_woke_up' from September of 2018: Posted by: I_woke_up Date: September 08, 2018 09:08AM I grew up and still reside in the small town of Kalona, Iowa (where Shiloh is). I came in to the Fellowship as a young child (my parents and one sibling are still involved). Until I left the organization a couple years ago, it was all I knew. At what point did I realize I was i
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"Don't tell me you're gonna go out and become a f*cking musician. That's not who you are." -Pastor Craig A post by TheyCalledmeJonah from January of 2018: Posted by: TheycalledmeJonah Date: January 04, 2018 03:10PM Hey All, I've been a lurker for many months now, and I finally got an account. I'm hoping I can add a bit to the conversation since I
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Sunday morning: 'O.K.--I gonna be straight with everyone. The offering this morning is for golf carts, beer, wings and fireworks. Now dig deep, people. Don't disappoint me!!' -VIP Ministry Posted by: GSchaeff Date: May 27, 2018 04:59PM The frosted mugs, yes! Or if you made the pilgrimage to Shiloh for SOP it was the golf carts you were allowed to drive. I don't kno
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Comments that reference "designated relationships," everyone's favorite topic!: /s Posted by: FCSLC Date: January 16, 2015 06:04PM I don’t ever remember getting life from submission to the designated shepherd. It was always on the level of trying to avoid their anger or disapproval. I was using my life/energy to keep the situation stable. What BS. Posted by: paleface
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > One of his projects: > Yad Eliezer Food Box Program - Feeding the > poor and breaking the cycle of poverty in Israel. > > > This new concern for the poor indicates a > remarkable transformation from the person > Imapurple routinely encountered while in The > Living Word fellowshi
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One of his projects: Yad Eliezer Food Box Program - Feeding the poor and breaking the cycle of poverty in Israel. www.hargraveministries.org This new concern for the poor indicates a remarkable transformation from the person Imapurple routinely encountered while in The Living Word fellowship: Posted by: Imapurple Date: October 31, 2019 07:52PM Seeing Donna in the middle yard with t
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Posts from November 1, 2018: Posted by: JezTheBelle Date: November 01, 2018 07:10PM It has come: Posted by: Cloudwatcher Date: November 01, 2018 07:19PM Oh okay Blame it on the holy spirit---here we go folks. Posted by: changedagain Date: November 01, 2018 07:33PM My initial reaction to the big 'apology': Gary, Asking the Lord to forgive your sins, without
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L A R R Y b o b o Thank you for that perspective. The few encounters I had with Mike, either in L.A. or Shiloh, were always pleasant.  Happy to hear he treated you well. I was a bit shocked and saddened to hear of his passing, but as we now know, disclosures of serious misconduct were probably what led to his suicide.  As we have learned from some of the best (JRS, G&M), a public fac
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Post by Walked from November of 2018: Posted by: Walked Date: November 16, 2018 06:43AM I feel like I’ve just been told there is no Santa Claus…. While I didn’t suffer the horrendous violations that those under the sexual predators and their enablers did, the Church soaked up over 8 years of my prime life and more money, time, and labor than my stomach wants to admit. Worse, discoverin
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Thankful for being freed from the oppressive environment we were once immersed in...wresting our lives away from the control of false shepherds: Posted by: pressingonbyHisgrace Date: January 03, 2019 01:48PM Paleface wrote: I'm certain I repressed that memory (until now) due to the sheer basis of its cruelty and ludicrousness, but it is what caused me to finally leave. I remember M
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This list (below) was compiled by kBOY, and has since expanded. Hope everyone has a pleasant fourth of July, and most of you decide not to travel to Mt. Rushmore to celebrate, and possibly help put out a wildfire. Stay safe. Posted by: kBOY Date: December 24, 2018 04:55AM WALK TALK Lexicon (Updated 12.24.18. Add, subtract, or edit at will) Amphitheater = Facility at Shiloh wher
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GSchaeff wrote: Or if you made the pilgrimage to Shiloh for SOP it was the golf carts you were allowed to drive. I don't know where they got those, but I can remember a few that got busted up in the woods during the amphitheater party. Any idea whether an offering was taken to replace the golf carts that were destroyed as a result of the spiritual battle in the woods? /s
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Reporting back to the local church: "Not only did I drink from a plastic cup, but I got judged for having position thinking. Anyway, back to the reasons why I think everyone in this church should take an extended trip to Shiloh..." Posted by: TheycalledmeJonah Date: April 12, 2018 02:17PM Maybe 5 or 6 years ago they built a bar in the corner of the dining hall at Shiloh and whe
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Hey puddington...I think you are guilty of position thinking for even mentioning these unearned titles! :) Posted by: puddington () Date: June 16, 2018 06:28AM I read somewhere that JRS’s PhD comes from some mail-order, unaccredited Bible school. Meanwhile, at Shiloh U, Gary Hargrave awards himself an honorary PhD. Rather unethical.
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Posted by: seventies walker Date: August 14, 2017 05:24PM First time I am posting. I have been reading and following some of the threads with interest off and on for years My name is David N. I left Frangipane's fellowship in Michigan in 1979. Shortly after I left Francis was dumped for not supporting John and Marilyn. I was in LA for multiple feast visits, Anaheim, Sepulveda, Sou
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I have no idea if it's the same developer, and the master plan remains the same. Like everything even remotely connected to TLWF leaders, you will never know what the 'plans' are until it is done. A post from January of this year: Posted by: JesusJesusJesus Date: January 25, 2020 11:55AM Look! A brand new "master plan" for the Shiloh property. TheNews--Kal
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A few posts that reference Shiloh: Posted by: typer Date: February 24, 2020 11:46AM I also enjoyed my interaction with Simon Nisely at the sawmill. Wonderful person. John Bender was very nice also and his wife. I think he could fix anything. The best part of Shiloh was stealing cookies at midnight with Jim Stewart and Jeff Fry. Gladys knew we did it, but her scolding was not very serious
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And you can bet that the Shiloh church directors have a back channel to send the funds to Gary Hargrave. No doubt, Puddington. 'Thou Shalt Honor The Upward Flow' Isn't that the First Commandment? :)
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And you can bet that the Shiloh church directors have a back channel to send the funds to Gary Hargrave.
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This was posted on the further discussion of The Living Word FB group today: "So apparently the Shiloh property was sold to a developer. Its annexation in to the city of Kalona is just a city limit/services/property tax thing...it is not owned by the city. The land is now privately owned by the developer. Did anyone know about this? I didn’t see what the sale price is, but it may
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A couple posts from February of 2018: > > Posted by: TheycalledmeJonah > Date: February 20, 2018 11:52AM > > What a splendid idea! Perhaps we should also bind > and loose the entire journey!? > > After last years trip (happened around the same > time frame) SEVERAL services we
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A couple posts from February of 2018: Posted by: TheycalledmeJonah Date: February 20, 2018 11:52AM What a splendid idea! Perhaps we should also bind and loose the entire journey!? After last years trip (happened around the same time frame) SEVERAL services were devoted to presentations of Israel from the folks who had gone on the trip. Several shabbats featured the recitation of ceremo
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Post by 'PowerTrip' on Christmas day, 2019: Posted by: PowerTrip () Date: December 25, 2019 03:03AM Dear All, First of all I want to wish everybody happy holidays. I wanted to say a big thanks to everybody on this group. We might have meet before or not but there is definitely one thing we can all connect, survivors from the hands of predators that believe they are above the l
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Leahsmiles wrote: I also went to Shiloh several times. I was in YASP late 90s. I remember working in fields pulling thistles. One day a girl fainted from the heat, we had to keep working. There were many long sermons and church sessions in a nhug auditorium, at least 3 a day. We had to do a lot of chores like cooking,cleaning, working in organic farm fields even as children. If we weren't i
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Yes. Apostles of greed, and addicted to power from my later research. Anyone with mansions, cooks... In Shiloh when I was working in the kitchen one lady said the Apostles had their own cook because they had to focus on spiritual things. MAybe a jet or access to a plane as well for travelling to all the churches? I thought that was weird. McDougal diet was hard to fix but to have a personal chef?
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