Moderator - Thank you for posting my last reply, despite your feelings that it is an attack, for which I once again apologize. Perhaps I am feeling overly sensitive due to what's going on in my personal life and that has made me feel attacked here, however in rereading I continue to feel that we have gone off topic in suggesting others are poorly informed (guilty - that's why I came
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curiousnycgirl: No one has "belittled" or "invalidated" you. But your last post was a personal attack, which is against the rules. Frankly, you seem to be in denial. And when someone tells you something that you don't want to know you become upset. The bottom line is that MKP is an LGAT with a deeply troubled history of complaints, bad press and alleged person
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Christa Thank you for your insight and various corrections (and slaps) of my inputs. As I have said previously I will limit my input going forward to my personal experiences. Based on my personal experience I have yet to see evidence of large amounts of money being collected/amassed by MKP - perhaps we have different views of the definition of the word large when it comes to money. Y
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Quotecuriousnycgirl I don't need articles, I live my life that way. I work in a very male dominated industry. You missed my point. Which was that he listened to these men, who he barely know,s who did not know his son, The articles in the literature don't just describe this phenomenon, they explain the reasons for it, and occasionally ways to confront it. Some readers of thi
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anonymous39: FYI--there have been a few MKP trolls posting here before. Various groups have encouraged trolling this message board.
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@Anticult, the stuff that sounded paranoid to me wasn't your research, it was (what I took as) the veiled suggestions that I or possibly @curiousnycgirl were here to spread the MKP kool-aid, for example: "Its very interesting how some who supposedly know very little of MKP, seem to have a commitment to spreading serious misinformation and de-facto soft-apologetics for MKP, or at leas
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By the way, this process can be very effective when an aquaintance or "friend" is pestering you about attending the LGAT seminar they are involved with. (PSI, Landmark, Byron Katie, MKP...) The "friend" repeatedly asks you to attend _____ LGAT seminar, as it "changed their life", as they are programmed to do this, and make sales for the company. The response ca
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Another couple points on communications: The only way to really combat these exploitative groups, of which there are many, is through accurate knowledge. Once a person has carefully researched the precise TECHNIQUES used by these groups on people, which is not easy to do, then its much easier to explain them to friends or family who might be getting lured in by some group. These groups try
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Suicides and psychological trauma that happen from these mind-crushing LGAT seminars are a terrible fact of this LGAT seminar industry. Its not a "cause" about MKP, just researching the basic facts about the outrageous deceptions and blatant lies from LGAT groups like MKP, as exposed in this thread and in many other places. MKP is just another of dozens of these damaging LGAT's
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@Anticult, I totally understand that you're passionate about your cause. I'd like to, as gently as possible, suggest that your tone is alienating even to people who agree with you. I think it's curious that I've found myself and @curiousnycgirl distancing ourselves from you, when honestly we have as much (more?) reason to dislike MKP as anyone. Honestly, you even sound a ti
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On further reflection, there is something extremely disturbing about The ManKind Project, the more one looks into it. In the MKP New Warrior Training Adventure waiver, they mention "death" 5 times. death, death, death, death, death. 5x. (see below) Why? The reality is that many men who attend these events, could have past trauma they have not had treated by a licensed profession
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As predicted, the roots of ManKind Project are connected with Werner Erhard, EST, and Landmark Education, coming directly from Justin Sterling from which come a constant stream of serious complaint reports. --------------------------- Rich Tosi, Bill Kauth and Ron Hering "Sterling was an early disciple of Werner Erhard and the “est” (Erhard Seminar Training, and Latin for “it is”) e
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Why does MKP have so many "death clauses" in their legal contracts they force everyone to sign? Because people die and get seriously hurt from those mind-crushing high-pressure LGAT techniques applied in the MKP 48 hrs, that have been taken from many other damaging LGAT seminars. Below is a post from this forum, from a father who's son committed suicide after attending MKP.
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The Mankind Foundation Also Known As: MKF Physical Address: Fishers, IN 46038 1744 _____________________ For a supposed "charity foundation"... where is the IRS Form 990 for The ManKind Foundation, which shows where all the money is going? Why have MKF-MKP refused to openly post that document on their website, so people can see where the money/millions have gone? Why do the
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Anticult - Thank you for sharing your vast knowledge base. You are right I don't know nearly as much as you nor as much as I should. I will limit my comments to my personal experiences in the hope that perhaps they will help others. Best, CNYCG
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It would require quite a bit of research to try and find where the MKP money is going, as most of it is concealed by MKP, as MKP does not post the audited details on their websites. (of course). The Mankind Project is making millions a year, directly, not counting all of the money made indirectly. Below is a long list of MKP sub-groups, many of them do not appear to file IRS 990 Forms, so no
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Its very interesting how some who supposedly know very little of MKP, seem to have a commitment to spreading serious misinformation and de-facto soft-apologetics for MKP, or at least confusion. To suggest, that the MKP executed and witnessed legal contracts are the same as generic recreational activity, is beyond absurd. That is either a dangerously naive, or is something else. (that is how
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Moderator - I get your points, and apologize if I am not articulating myself well. I am not disagreeing that LGATs are fundamentally flawed, nor am I disagreeing the MKP can be very dangerous. My point in asking for personal experience (which may have been inappropriate - if so I sincerely apologize) was to try to gain a better understanding of anticult's position. Making sweeping
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curiousnycgirl: "Personal experience"? Frankly, that's a response typical of LGAT participants who claim the only way that someone can understand is to personally experience the LGAT. However, research is fundamental to understanding what's wrong with LGATs. And it is not necessary to personally experience something to develop an understanding of it and an opinion bas
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Anticult - Once again I have to disagree with your belief that the contracts are unique to LGATs. Forms of these indemnification clauses, etc are found in almost all sports related contracts. As anonymous39 pointed out skiing has these clauses, as do Scuba Diving, Bungee Jumping, Horse Back riding, membership in Club Med etc. Clearly you have very strong opinions on this subject. Perhaps
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QuoteChristaTHe phenomenon of a woman making a point, being ignored, and then a man saying the very same thing and being acknowledged is widely documented in the sociological literature. You might want to look up a few articles. I don't need articles, I live my life that way. I work in a very male dominated industry. You missed my point. Which was that he listened to these men, who he b
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QuoteChrista THe phenomenon of a woman making a point, being ignored, and then a man saying the very same thing and being acknowledged is widely documented in the sociological literature. You might want to look up a few articles. As well, in MKP there are clear streaks of various forms of misogyny, probably varying depending on the local group and leader. Search Google for: "mankind
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QuotecuriousnycgirlSNIP Last week he had his first i group meeting. He felt it was great, he felt supported, he felt the guys gave him really great advice - specifically on how to gain a relationship with his son (he would say repair, but I don't feel they have one). Interesting that they told him to do the same things I've been saying for years, me (who actually knows and has a real
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@anticult, next time you go skiing, read the contract. I'll bet the indemnification, wrongful death etc is nearly word for word. I do completely agree that the decision to do this or anything like this should be done together, after a serious discussion of what exactly they're getting into, legally and emotionally, and that any final decisions should be joint decisions. It's the
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Below is where MKP makes you sign away the rest of your rights. You MUST sign and execute 4 of these legal contracts, in-person on-site, which are witnessed and signed by the MKP centre director or agent. You are signing your life away to MKP, and that of your Heirs as stated below. No one should EVER sign such one-sided, biased and outrageous contracts like the MKP legal contract, which M
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There is some pretty bad misinformation (for whatever reason) in the last few posts, perhaps due to lack of understanding how this LGAT seminar business operates, or something else. Those DEATH waivers are NOT standard. Standard for what? They are written for a reason, because people regularly get seriously hurt at these seminars, not just physically, but psychologically, emotionally and fina
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Someone once posted the entire MKP manual at this message board. Subsequently MKP made a legal threat and the material is now quoted within "fair use" guidelines for the purpose of critical analysis. Anyone objectively reading that material review here can easily see how deceptive and manipulative MKP is. Given the history of complaints, bad press and litigation surrounding MKP
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@anticult, I have to agree here with @curiousnycgirl. Completely appreciate where you're coming from and your passion, but three points: 1. Extreme pro-MKP or extreme anti-MKP at some point begins to sound just extreme. It starts to become hard to credit, from any perspective. 2. @curiousnycgirl and I are both living with an active situation. Using the MKP admonition of speaking only fo
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Anticult - Those are very standard agreements and basically unenforceable in court. You cannot sign away rights you don't know about yet. I agree they would give me pause, but to tell the truth they aren't worth the paper they are written on. I agree there is a HUGE risk of people who should not particpate in weekends such as these doing so - it does not appear they have any ad
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You have to read the MKP waiver at least 5 times, very slowly. They deliberately make it long and complicated, as they know most people won't read it. Read this MKP whopper they make people sign.. That means YOU get to PAY for the MKP attorney's to defend MKP. How many of those who have signed this, have even read it? How many have first taken it to their own attorney for advice
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