I've participated in many Native American sweatlodges in my time. First of all, no charge should ever be applied for any participant in any Native American spiritual ceremony. EVER. It is, however, customary to give the water pourer and the host a pack of tobacco, as it is a sacred herb and is thrown into the fire for prayers. Not saying this is MY belief, just NA beliefs. This was not
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

I'm looking for men who have attended a ManKind Project "New Warrior Training Camp" in Arizona. I'm a journalist for Phoenix New Times, and I would like to speak with you about your experiences at the camp, what led you there, its impact on your life, and what you feel is important for prospective camp attendees to know. Please send me a message on this site if you're int
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families

"Openminded", please re-read the threads on this board re: MKP. The pattern is clear and problematic. As a wise person once told me, "Yes, keep 'Openminded', just don't be so openminded that your brains fall out". Assuming you are not a potential troll or apologist for MKP and are sincere in wanting to learn of this LGAT; beware this group. For you
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"Openminded": You seem to have come here as an apologist with a closed mind regarding the facts. What is not "laughable" is that LGATs (large group awareness training) have caused personal injuries and deaths. MKP settled a wrongful death lawsuit, and there has been continued controversy and complaints about the group. See Another LGAT that used a so-called &qu
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I had my first encounter with the Mankind Project this past week after my partner went to their New Warrior training and came back telling me that it was intense, but all in all a very good experience. Yesterday I met many of the group members in a local meeting. The stories told about the weekend and their first week back were truly amazing. It was clear that each and every one of them had an
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MKP? Mankind Project? If so, here is a direct link to an active forum on this group here: If this is not the group could you be more specific so we can help?
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups

Thanks for the laugh, John Fox (no need for you to duck). Lift up a Foster's "oil can" and toast to better days for us all on Earth (or is it Gaia?)... ...and also toast to an end of Scientology, Landmark, Mankind Project, etc...
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

Here is a video embedded in the above link from Dr. Throckmorton that is worth seeing for those who don't want to explore the above link: "Rage Therapy" (beating pillows and cursing your mother...how much different from beating dead cooked chickens and cursing your mother?)
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Also in regard to the above post, the author goes so far as to say since MKP's NWTA utilizes pagan and wiccan rituals and mythology mixed with native-american rituals, he warns all his evangelical patients to avoid Mankind Project at all costs to limit any potential psychological(belief system) stress (I am paraphrasing).
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

Here is an interesting link with multiple references on MKP NWTA: The most interesting is the author's insistence that it is easy to see how memories could be implanted using such techniques. The author is also concerned that psychological techniques utilized are being done so under no professional supervision. The article is long but rich in a scientific view. It also links to R
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

To whom it may concern: "floatingfreebear" has been banned from this message board.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

experiencedopinion: You apparently need to pay more attention to the board before posting. The above comments are from "rrmoderator" not "sparky." Your most recent long, rambling, repetitive and insulting response was directed to sparky, which was the wrong person. The post was not approved and has been deleted. Frankly, it was grossly redundant and little more
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experiencedopinion: "We learn from our mistakes. We evolve to serve men better."? Really? Your defense of the organization on this thread speaks otherwise. You repeatedly attempt to shift the blame for bad results and complaints to others, not MKP. You admit that MKP has sought to avoid responsibility by limiting its liability through a release form, which is not typical
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Well, Sparky, As predicted you have provided a Snarky response. Why you choose to discount that which you do not know is beyond me. In example, I asked, "Have you ever been through a sweat lodge ceremony, Sparky?" "imitation" is your way of devaluing something you know nothing about as far as life experience goes. I was attempting to find out if you had the
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Quoteexperiencedopinion Have you ever been through a sweat lodge ceremony, Sparky? As far as legal waivers, that is standard legal procedure. There is nothing nefarious about it. It is simply standard protection from those who sue for profit motive. First, no...I have never attended an American-Indian 'sweat lodge' ceremony. As that I am not of Native American blood, any Na
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Sparky, I have read some of the posts. I have actually experienced the NWTA and many MKP events also. I find it mostly people lashing out and attacking any view that is different from theirs. I don't have any interest in that. What I bring is an experienced opinion. I offer it as one from someone who has experienced the NWTA and staffed some as well attended other trainings
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

experiencedopinion, have you actually taken the time to read the comments on this thread from the victims of your LGAT? It reads like a cheap, creepy movie on SyFy channel. There are people who commit suicide, psuedo-religious rituals stolen borrowed from Native American culture not to mention clear-cut cases of misogyny and inappropriate physical contact and isolation. There are waive
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

experiencedopinion: "Assumptions that have not basis in the facts"? See Anyone interested can read excerpts of the actual Mankind Project manual, which reflects the manipulation within this large group awareness training (LGAT) program. See Anyone interested can read about the wrongful death lawsuit and concerns about the Mankind Project that have been reported. MKP
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families

Thank you for your accurate response. It helps to have detailed information from the source. This level of integrity demonstrated in the ethics policy is why I am involved with MKP. I am not a joiner of groups. I've always been cautious of the divisive nature many institutions have. Hi ethics and actions that shows me these ethics are practiced is why I'm in MKP. The fac
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

gftr99 thank you for your well informed responses. It seems many people are not informed on what a non-profit is nor what MKP is. Indeed we work on a near break even budget. As the economy has declined, requests for scholarships have increased. We practice the "No Man Left Behind" ethic, thus we give even more of our personal money to assist men wanting to step into fuller and mo
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families

Good Evening all, This is an interesting twist of a conversation. I shall strive to offer some clarification. The MKP organization put in place an "Ethics Policy". Here is the URL to it and it is available for public review: Basically, it's intention and commitment is to NOT exploit another, financially, business-wise, therapy-wise. The organization has set a bo
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

I'm curious about the rule of "no sex with initiates for at least 6 months." The corollary being that sex is OK between the members of the leadership team and older initiates at any time. But I've met similar rules with other straight LGATs including tantra groups, that is with mixed gender LGATs, so such a rule is not unusual. But I'm curious as to why there shoul
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

WTG1999, I have no "hidden agenda". My "agenda" is straight forward: Warn new people from joining destructive LGATS like MKP and other cult-like/abusive organizations and to support as best I can those who have victimized by such groups. If anyone has a "hidden agenda" I would offer it is you. You saw none of this stuff that SeekingTruth and others have share
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

QuoteWTG1999...you are a sad person, Sparky. What is your hidden agenda? I am not an elder and It wouldn't matter what I or any one else is. You don't get it and the flow of life passes on by people like you who hold up thier hatred and non-knowledge assumptions as some sort of testament to their incapabilities to allow other points of view. There is no need to recruit or save anyone. P
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

WTG1999 - if you wish to make a point then 1/ please do not use cult-speak the meaning of which only you understand, 2/ check your grammar and spelling before posting (Word can do that), and 3/ be objective. As it is your subjective and emotive diatribe is a waste of space. Actually your contributions do achieve one good thing (only one) - with each new post the thread about MKP keeps rising t
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

...you are a sad person, Sparky. What is your hidden agenda? I am not an elder and It wouldn't matter what I or any one else is. You don't get it and the flow of life passes on by people like you who hold up thier hatred and non-knowledge assumptions as some sort of testament to their incapabilities to allow other points of view. There is no need to recruit or save anyone. People arrive
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

Seeking Truth, WTG1999 is, as you clearly stated, little more than an apologist for MKP. He "feels sad" for you, thus demeaning your horrid experience and putting the blame on you because "you clearly were not ready". Bullshit, he is clearly using the old canard of the failed faith healer:"If you didn't get healed it was your weakness and lack of faith in god that
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

QuoteWTG1999...Sad...True sadness sweeps over as I feel small mind only allowing such a distorted view of a fantastic Healing Process... Did You ever attend a training?...A true New Warrior Training Weekend?... If so and you had some of these ?horror's? performed on you, that is my sadness...for you. My Experiance was one of Awared Grace and BeautyWalk Co-Connection...10 years ago. So much
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

...Sad...True sadness sweeps over as I feel small mind only allowing such a distorted view of a fantastic Healing Process... Did You ever attend a training?...A true New Warrior Training Weekend?... If so and you had some of these ?horror's? performed on you, that is my sadness...for you. My Experiance was one of Awared Grace and BeautyWalk Co-Connection...10 years ago. So much the better
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

Seeking Truth, thank you for your highly informative posts. Material like this is extremely valuable.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"