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9 months ago
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Recalling (again) what I consider to be the most unintentionally hilarious question ever asked of John Robert Stevens, by a member of the congregation: "IF YOU ARE NOT THE CHRIST, THEN WHO THE HELL ARE YOU?" -Happy Clark (RIP) note: John left the question unanswered, fueling further speculation within the fellowship that he indeed was the Christ (along with thousands of others
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10 months ago
changedagain
And, thanks again to Rick Ross for this site.
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10 months ago
changedagain
FCSLC wrote: Epicurus (341–270 B.C.E.). Psychological degradation through cult fear and indoctrination even back then. No wonder it’s so hard to combat. Posted by: changedagain Date: March 22, 2020 11:30PM puddington wrote: I liked the podcast. It’s difficult to include everything in that podcast. There is so much material. One thing missing that I would have liked to have been discussed
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10 months ago
changedagain
Excellent--thanks FCSLC. Been missing you here...can't get enough of the "enemy of the church," I guess. :)
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10 months ago
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Reep wrote: For old time's sake, if you will. I wonder if he had any specific thoughts on how The Father would punish those who refused to bow? Horrible car wrecks? I fear being taken out by a space laser, controlled by The Father. /s
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10 months ago
changedagain
But his fear-mongering was definitely noticed on this forum. :) That it was, Reep.
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10 months ago
changedagain
The "father" that Gary would refer to in his messages seemed to have a perpetually bad attitude, and issued not-so-veiled threats to those who weren't sufficiently obedient to him. Somehow I think this "father" only resides in Gary's head. But this mythical father accomplished the task of scaring people enough to maintain control over their lives, so he did his job.
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
10 months ago
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Well, to your credit you recognized facts, and changed your mind. We evolve with new information...at least that is something to aspire to. Good to hear from you, Twoteetwo. #PrayForGeorgia Maybe before I die I will quit trusting that any man or ministry is incorruptible. Yes, a goal for all of us.
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10 months ago
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Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Also, obedience is highly overrated. It seems as though sociopaths are fixated on people being obedient to them--a central requirement of anyone who attempts to relate to them. Definitely a deal breaker--or, in the case of those still hoodwinked, it should be.
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10 months ago
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Onion wrote: My cousin in Iowa shared with me that the English River offshoot of Shiloh, had an email from Steve Seboldt (which was read aloud in their Zoom service) where he said TLW is moving to Georgia. He also said the TLW properties in California are all up for sale. He also congratulated them on continuing to have services. He also asked for money. Also, the house in Kalona where Chris an
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
10 months ago
changedagain
And no, I will not be making a snarky comment about the devil going to Georgia. I've decided to comment with less sarcasm this year. It's a new day!
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
10 months ago
changedagain
Did I mention pray for Georgia? My memory is not what it used to be. :)
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10 months ago
changedagain
I've received word (FD group on FB) that TLW his selling all its Ca properties and relocating to Georgia. If this pans out, I'm certain it will be a relief to Ca. Frankly, I'm worried for Georgia. Pray for Georgia!! note: Anyone know whether any of the proceeds of the sale of Ca properties will go into Hargrave Ministries...supporting his worldwide ministry? Curious.
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
10 months ago
changedagain
A few posts from September 24-25 of 2018: Posted by: puddington Date: September 24, 2018 02:39AM This request for feedback by TLWF from former members has my distrust alarms going off. While I certainly have plenty to write about, I doubt that I will send anything in. For three basic reasons: 1. I suspect they are merely collecting evidence to better prepare TLW to defend themselves le
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10 months ago
changedagain
rrmoderator: Please stay on topic. Sorry about that--won't happen again. Hopefully, I'll quickly come to the place where I will have no inclination to comment on politics any time, any where.
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10 months ago
changedagain
Posted by: Reepicheep Date: December 02, 2019 07:35AM My memories are blurring together. There was no balcony during the seventies and the elevator was from the nineties. As for the alternate entrance/exit, it was probably there so that G&M could enter and exit without rubbing shoulders with or feeling obligated to speak with the peons who paid for everything and did the work. They behav
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10 months ago
changedagain
Well, this is delightful. And again, I have no problem with the moderator removing this post, since it is off-topic and (perhaps) political in nature. I'm sharing (below) the beginning of a WaPo article I read this morning: By Peter Jamison, Carol D. Leonnig and Paul Schwartzman Jan. 14, 2021 at 10:30 a.m. PST Many U.S. Secret Service agents have stood guard in Washington’s eli
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10 months ago
changedagain
I came across this "thought experiment" today, and decided to share it here. Since it is politically-oriented, I have no problem should the moderator decide to remove it. Michael Shermer wrote: "If Obama lost to Mitt Romney in 2012, and refused to acknowledge the election as legitimate, then spent months promoting on Twitter and Facebook that he won the election in a landslid
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10 months ago
changedagain
changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Were those songs sung at the Shiloh siege in '79? I meant 'Victory Siege' :)
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10 months ago
changedagain
possible song title: 'You Gotta Fight for your Right to Fight'
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10 months ago
changedagain
"I'm workin' and prayin' day and night But what I really wanna do is fight That's right, fight!" Sorry--this is the best I can do. No wonder no one asked me to write lyrics to a kingdom song. Oh well.
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10 months ago
changedagain
In the LA area I do remember a song that started this way: "With violence in our spirits we declare a breakthrough Hallelujah, Hallelujah" (or something like that)
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
10 months ago
changedagain
Were those songs sung at the Shiloh siege in '79?
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
10 months ago
changedagain
Thanks for sharing, Reep. I was snapping my fingers as I was reading it. Catchy lyrics! I can't recall after singing this song whether we often broke into singing in the spirit. I'll assume we did.
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
10 months ago
changedagain
I've managed to block out memories of most of the militant songs we sang during that era. But a few keep surfacing, something like: "War, we shall war, we shall war against the lies of Babylon. Fight, we shall fight, we shall fight with the weapons of righteousness For our weapons are not carnal, but mighty through the power of our Lord etc." "Prophets of God marching
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
10 months ago
changedagain
note: one of the quickest paths to being labeled a Neph is to become aware of impropriety among TLWF/Walk leaders, and be vocal about it. In our political climate today, I think that is what is referred to as a "traitor," who should be punished by _________. (you should be able to fill in the blank)
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
10 months ago
changedagain
kbyrne wrote: After what happened last week, I thought about how much we used the word "violence" in the walk. "The violent take the kingdom by force." Not intercession, but "violent" intercession. And praying for the death of people, I don't know, because they didn't agree with us? I wonder if this was a theme in other churches as well. In the mid-l
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
10 months ago
changedagain
I came across this somewhere on the internet. Once I have my coffee, I'll attribute it to the right person: “There is no redemption without repentance. There is no repentance without accountability. There is no accountability without consequences."
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
10 months ago
changedagain
puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Those who can make you believe absurdities, can > make you commit atrocities. > > - Voltaire Yes
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
11 months ago
changedagain
I think the many contributors to this forum through the years have done their best to facilitate healing, by (in part) sharing their personal experiences in TLWF...and revealing what paths they have took to improve their lives. But as a survivor bluntly posted just recently in the FD group on Facebook, "it's hard to "unf*ck" it all." That's certainly true. Anyway,
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