So true, kBoy.
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"I heard from a very reliable source that the bar bills for church leaders in Iowa when they go out to the Tuscan Moon Restaurant includes top shelf liquor and multiple bottles of wine that run close to $150 each. Oh - but you better clean their houses for free and iron their clothes and do their yards, etc. etc. etc. Lovely." The earlier the servants are trained, the better. Hence,
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Corruption run rampant...starting with the top ministries. Years and years and them doing whatever the hell they want, while berating the rank and file for not being dedicated. Hypocrisy at its finest (I mean worst). Thanks for posting this, Onion.
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In the light of these disclosures regarding the > availability of numerous watering holes, I guess > the next step into the kingdom may include smoking > lounges for cannabis, since it's 'utilization' > will most assuredly enhance the ability of > ministries to more 'accurately'
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In the light of these disclosures regarding the > availability of numerous watering holes, I guess > the next step into the kingdom may include smoking > lounges for cannabis, since it's 'utilization' > will most assuredly enhance the ability of > ministries to more 'accurately'
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p.s. I do have a shot or two of whiskey every night. I'm tempted, on occasion, to have more...mostly because I want to experience God's mighty moving. But I weigh that desire with my doctor's advice to remain temperate...and so far the latter has more sway.
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Don't ever question whether a ministry can competently direct a person's life while intoxicated. It shows a lack of faith in God's ability to move through his anointed in any situation, any circumstance. That's why I still am inclined to believe that John was transported seven years into the future to witness the Kingdom while (allegedly) spending quality time with his girlfri
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puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Note: the moderator’s links go to cult references > that are fairly general. Most of them were > written by other cult experts, as well as RR. I > have read most of this material. I found it > exceptional and very helpful for my healing. The > Nichols paper is very helpful too. But everyone is
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Cloudwatcher Wrote: > I for one welcome any effort to shine the light of > truth and to see some kind of justice. If it is > possible, why would it not be worth it? Many lost > their life savings--or never had savings because > the kingdom was coming. It was a farce designed > to take your money, time--and in some > cases---daughters. Some people here need to know
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Cloudwatcher Wrote: > So lets keep > the blame where it belongs--squarely on Gary > Hargrave. It is in his court to do the right > thing. But I for one am not holding my breath. The fact that Gary apparently has already denied being aware of Rick's wrongdoing all these years is not a good sign. It's perfectly reasonable, given our long history in TLWF, to be wary o
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Ohman? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I agree I agree with your agreement. This healing and new day is long overdue. I've been waiting vigilantly for it, and now it is going to happen. I'm going to put this sh*t on my calendar (9/25/2018--Huge Breakthrough. Healing/New Day has probably begun).
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I, too, believe this approach would provide a healing and a new day for everyone. The sooner these terms are accepted and implemented by TLWF, the better. Let the healing and the new day begin!!
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Thanks for sharing I_woke_up
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Onion Wrote: > Within the last few weeks Gary lied to a relative > of someone connected to this group and said he had > never heard anything about sexual misconduct by > Rick. not surprising
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My grammar can be atrocious. Hence, all the edits.
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howmidoing Wrote: > That was absolutely not my intention and I want to > thank the people who thought this a good idea! But > it was my mistake for thinking there might be > mature individuals interested in actual change and > helping the next generation. The best way to help the next generation to keep them from being involved in the cult and wasting their life. One of
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Not only was he subjected to brutal psychological > abuse in the waning days of his involvement, but > once tossed overboard, they launched a concerted > spin campaign throughout all the churches to paint > a picture that made it look like he left to pursue > selfish interests. Evil
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Road to Damascus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I distrust any new day or promises to make it all > better. I say that until Gary, Rick, and all those > in power come forward and tell it all and not be > restrictive communications it is all worthless > words. That is hiding behind smoke. Why should I > open up and write to them what they
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Onion Wrote: > Challenging victims for the way they handle the > information of their abuse is really a harsh and > unnecessary thing to do. Yes
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puddington Wrote: > 3. Amy Sayer is a Phyllis clone. I trust her > about as far as I can throw a bus. Unless your real name is Samson, I'm going to assume you don't trust her at all.
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Approximately ten years ago I was told by a former member of Apco that in the mid-90's G & M conducted one of those 'speak honestly without fear of retribution' sessions. He was a part of it. Apco members spoke one by one of what they felt the biggest problem in the fellowship was at the time. Most of them went down predictable lines: "People playing church," "n
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TLW church sign: It's a New Day!! But Nothing Will Change
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Road to Damascus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It is one thing to announce it at CLW in Los > Angeles and another thing to bring it before the > whole fellowship and to not beat around the bush > and bare everything, the whole truth. A lot of > members are afraid to come forward due to the > dismissive arrogant attitude of shepherd to th
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It sounds as though she is responding to howmidoing. Go Dodgers!
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> My parents called me today to say that Gary Hargrave is wanting to changing > things there. Does he know it needs to start with him? That the law may get involved at some point? This can not be just another one of the countless surface level changes that TLWF has made through the years, while promising major overhauls & accountability. It's my view TLWF has not earned the
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larry bobo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I have close friends with decades of involvement > in TLWF in leadership roles and they would not > even consider looking at this website, much less > researching cults. I suspect we have spent > hundreds of hours in the last ten years discussing > our involvement in TLWF. My poor wife, who w
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puddington Wrote: > > This practice continues today in the Living Word. > Think back to when you first came in. What were > you looking for? What attracted you? And did > that pay out for you? Did what you were looking > for come about? Did you experience fulfillment? > I certainly didn't. I experienced a lot of pain, > self-loathing and misery. An
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Aleutian Wrote: > Something of a ¨TLWF Lite¨, which includes a > corporate rebranding, with less screaming in > tongues, less gulag work days, less sexual > impropriety, and more mainstream sermons. Fantastic.
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:)
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Onion Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > By the way, my doctorate is not honorary but was > obtained through hard work and graduate level > education. So it's real.
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