David Bruce Larson and I believe he has a son named David or who goes by David but I've never heard negative info about him.
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Went to dinner tonight and on the way home read the satire by Reepicheep out loud as better entertainment than the radio, by far. We cheered. Thanks for the vivid pic Reep. Sadly accurate.
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Changedagain said: That said, to your credit Onion, you've dealt with many of the diehards more directly than I have in recent years. You have every right to be frustrated. Aside from writing in this forum, I've stayed mostly insulated from the attacks. ---------------- Thanks, Changedagain. I guess I don't realize when I sound frustrated. It is interesting to think about h
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I hear Game of Thrones is getting a prequel. I hope so - and several spin offs! Here is the prequel to Reepicheep's post about the cult controlling what we speak and hear: I believe most of us who consider ourselves survivors of harm from TLWF, have spent quite a bit of time studying facts and history, checking the accuracy of what we remember, seeking confirmation from people we trus
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Changedagain: Vicious and driven for the throne. Obsessed with "her children" who she uses to kill innocent people of all ages. Yep. TLWF leaders to a T. RIP.
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Tryingtohelp: Thank you for your kind thoughts and this information. It seems we are in another surge of people wishing we would just shut up and move on. I have worried that my family will see my involvement in exposing the truth about TLWF as just another expression of the obsession with the church/cult that took me away from them for most of my life. But I see an end in sight. I see som
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As I read the last several posts I was kind of jumping and yelling amen but silently in my own brain/heart. In 1992 every corporation filed Restated Articles of Incorporation that placed each and every one of the TLWF churches directly under the oversight of the ApCo with final control in the hands of the Ap Fathering Mry - G&M. The Boards had NO authority to do anything even as small as
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Below is the Brazil Church's English translation of the Transition Team Report. This varies slightly from the version I posted earlier. I wanted to make clear that my permission to post the earlier report came from a friend in Brazil and not the church or the transition team. Some people who have read this report interpret it to mean the people in Brazil consider Gary somewhat of a hero
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One of the transition team members in Brazil contacted me because he wants to send me their English translation that contains more information than why was posted in Portuguese (whatever that means). I will share as soon as I get it. Wait a minute... Changedagain did you say you might have some leftover prudishness? You were prudish? I'm SHOCKED. ;-) Larry Bobo thanks for your
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A friend from Brazil sent me the report from their transition team. I don't know (yet) who was on the team but this report is encouraging. I wish we would get to see reports from the other churches because hopefully those reports as well as their MOUs would probably be encouraging too. Transition Group Public Letter, May 2019 Translated from the original Portuguese We, the members
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Speaking of insurance - I read the coverage of one of the main churches and there is $300k coverage for sexual misconduct. I wonder if they contacted their insurer to get coverage and the ins paid for the lawyer or the counseling at CLW or whatever. Leaping to a new subject -- QUESTION: Does anyone have any idea what happened to the Van Djik oil paintings? I proved they were church property
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And then there is always: Work for the Kingdom Business for little or no wages because it will bring in the Kingdom (which is never to be defined) and if you can't afford to feed your children, remember there is always that soybean crockpot. Enjoy your poverty knowing the leaders can use the business credit card for their enormous alcohol bills and fine dining with $200 bottles of win
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Reep - I love your additions to the conditioning dictionary. Here are a few more: Abortions are preferred over being distracted from slavery When you die you can take a message to JRS from G&M Get fat so you won't be tempted to be distracted by marriage because no man will want you. Sleep is a waste of time when you should be working You don't need to be paid much or
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Changedagain - You are so right. I wish there was a way to encourage people to speak out without triggering the walk conditioning that makes us feel like any minute we are going to get in trouble for some newly added "wrong" to the detailed and impossible list of do's and don'ts that were foisted upon us. Maybe we could start an inventory list of conditioning to go with th
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I need to clarify something about Bob McClane - or as he was called in my family "Bobby McClane." Bob McClane did NOT commit suicide. He died of a heart attack in the VA hospital. The only time suicide was associated with Bob's death was in the loud and nasty rant of Gary Hargrave who said it was suicide because of Bob's poor health habits. It was cruel and unnecessary
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Gary Hargrave's tentacles definitely seem to be reaching out beyond the shores of the U.S. A group of his loyals and officers/directors of Hargrave Ministries are in Poland as part of a tour of concentration camps etc., conducted jointly by the Shlomo's Jerusalem Center and Shiloh U - Bruce Larson, Lisa Runquist, etc. Any loyalty questions? I still hear surprising information on al
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Sierra Dawn's post is so powerful and will always be. I agree with Reep, I hope Sierra knows that her heart wrenching post has reached many many people. There is a factor I would add to Sierra's post. One of the women in the church (who is now thankfully out) asked Gilee Larson if she could go over and help Ann and the answer was no - because it would distract this woman's foc
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Changedagain - Thank you for sharing Sawenough from 2013. Whoever he or she is, I would like to give them thanks. This post is beautifully written and 100% accurate. Some things began to change last year as a result of people bravely taking a stand. I understand some private communications started the ball rolling quite some time before the public exposures of October 2018. But many of the
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Reepicheep - Your post from the Daily Beast threw me into a deeper level of disdain and anger towards self-serving church leaders. CHILDREN being given a 10-step set of rules on forgiving their abusers. I am so furious. I believe churches who perpetrate this type of teaching (blaming the victims, even children) should immediately lose their tax-exempt status. IMMEDIATELY and retroactively!
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That there are still people who are loyal to Gary Hargrave is mind-boggling. I can only imagine that those hanging on to GH are those who refuse to read the information available on FaceBook and on this forum. People should not be afraid of information. If it is perceived that there are "sides" between the LWF loyal and those who have taken a stand against the abuses of LWF, th
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If I had seen this earlier than when I first started reading and posting (one year ago) it would have hastened my departure from the cult. The stories I have heard of the various ministers' ouster from the walk/cult have deeply imprinted on my heart a determination never to listen to someone's demand to shun or ignore another human being. The mean streak that developed in the leader
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Kalona News from yesterday has an article about the meeting at Shiloh regarding the City's possible annexation. One of the leaders who commented and was quoted in the newspaper is Craig Haworth. Stepping down indeed. There is also an article in the LA Times today about the guy at the head of USC who was "ousted" for his role in the scandals connected to USC (it is even said
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Every corporation formed in another State, has to register to do business as a "foreign corporation" if they do business in a State other than where they were incorporated. Rick Holbrook was the President of CHHP at one time (when it closed down and got paid by the city under eminent domain). I believe he stayed on the Board after it changed to HFM but not as President.
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CHHP filed an amendment changing the name of that corporation to Hargrave Family Ministries - A Living Word Ministry. That gave them the ability to take the money paid for the church property into their HFM account. Although how they became entitled to that money when they had no physical church structure seems hazy at best. But I have been told that a lot of money began flowing from the trust
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Ohman? I have heard a lot of references to someone named Ken who was the mad spanker. Sounds like an S&M villain. I think he was definitely a villain. Sometimes we look back on decisions we made under obedience to the dictator's and wish we could get a do-over, but I think someone who was known for spanking a LOT of people had a much bigger problem. Like the stories about discipline
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Reep - I wish us all hope too. Thank you for your eloquence (as always) and for telling a story that even shocked me. Seriously? Big crosses in a walk church? I wonder what happened to the notes nailed to the cross. I can easily picture Rick reading them during one of his drinking parties everywhere he went. Very weird.
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The problem (as I understand it) of a pyramid scheme is that those at the top benefitted as those below them brought in more people to make money that flowed up the pyramid. But some of the money did go to those not at the very pinnacle of the pyramid - just not enough to make the pyramid a legal structure for marketing. In the walk pyramid scheme EVERYTHING flowed straight to the top and pos
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I have it from a reliable source: Rick Holbrook is no longer receiving a salary. HOWEVER, Rick and Lorena were paid a substantial severance package which also makes no sense. People fired for cause don't get severance packages from an employer who is non-complicit in the basis of the firing. That is just my opinion based on working in litigation (employment and family law) for over 20
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Changedagain: Perfection. Can we find one with a sinking church?
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Is it true that the former "youth ministry" Rick Holbrook who was fired from TLWF based on numerous credible reports of his sexual abuse of congregants, by Gary Hargrave before Gary Hargrave himself stepped down in shame, is continuing to reap financial benefit from TLWF? Is Rick still receiving a salary? Is Lorena Holbrook still receiving a salary? Does Rick Holbrook still have acce
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