Changedagain - Thanks for posting that since I mentioned a link I was supplying and then forgot to put the link in my post. And yes, the info on the Center you showed with an office or po box in San Diego, etc., is correct. In keeping with a confusion-free day, and in the spirit of Changed's youtube link, and in keeping with discussing Jewish info and the Center - I think this also carri
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Here is a link to a newsletter paying tribute to Shlomo after his death. It is in Hebrew so have fun reading it. Sorry, I'm being silly. It lists clues about sites but they may be in Hebrew too. A lot of links to Shiloh U come up when you google even Shlomo Hizak so I guess the job of giving Shiloh U credibility based on Shlomo's life work is being effective for the grabbers. Cha
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The Jerusalem Center that was founded by Shlomo is not connected to the center shown above. TMason - Unless I'm wrong? But the one Shlomo founded is mentioned in the magazine article published by Andrew Marzoni - little red flag already posted the link, but here it is again. It is VERY much worth the read.
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A really good friend and reliable source just sent this information to me. I share an excerpt: Just found out GH is in LA right now and that he is getting together with people, (trying to build alliances in my opinion). What he doesn't understand is for pretty much every TLWF loyalist, their children are going to make sure that GH never controls anyone again. We are all fighting to ma
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A lot of people have wondered and even speculated about what Gary might have up his sleeve in all that has happened since so many people began to blow the whistle on church abuses, especially in CLW/COL/TLW. I think Gary's exit plan was started quite a bit before anyone went public on FB. The response to his request for letters in the context of his 360 thingie was apparently astoundin
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I heard second hand, but that originated from a reliable source, that they are looking at a lot of different options for moving forward NOT with any connection to TLWF; or whether they should be absorbed into a different church altogether. I think the people who are trying to keep the influence of Gary Hargrave or Bruce Larson or Gilee Larson alive in the group, are doing so stealthily undergrou
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Gary Hargrave Dr. Gary A. Hargrave, Chancellor of Shiloh U Marilyn (Holbrook Stevens) Hargrave Richard D. Holbrook or Rick Holbrook G&M Interesting googles one and all.
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You know, the elements required to prove criminal conspiracy do not require that the crime considered by the conspirators actually be committed. I have recently heard (second hand of course) of a conspiracy to commit murder initiated by Gary Hargrave back in his Redlands era. No crime was carried out but the shooter was selected and contacted, which would be the act in furtherance of the co
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I have said that when I write on this Forum, I always (unless a fit of disgust, anger, or the heaves has overtaken my usually rational mind) write as if it will be read to or by Gary and/or Rick. I found out recently that, yes indeedy, Gary monitors us closely. He asked some people (I don't have details) if anyone could think of a way to silence me. This occurred last summer before anyt
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I agree concerning the leaders elevated by G&M. It seemed that those who had been recognized received a word, or were commissioned by JRS, were mostly being kicked to the curb by G&M who then elevated people that represented them in every way - the level of meanness and the TOTAL lack of unity, care, love, concern or any other worthy emotion you would expect from ministries, was GONE. I
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TMason - Thanks for continuing what I consider a very worthy discussion. I believe there were and are many in roles of responsibility and perhaps in ministry leadership now that the rest of the bunch has "stepped down" who really believed what they were told. I believe in my own heart and I believe the status of the law says that agreement obtained thru deception and fraud, is no ag
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Well, maybe we ladies need to start picketing the hereafter in these various religions so that we too are granted 72 virgin young men. I mean, after all, equality is equality. (Kidding!) I recently heard that some of the leaders who announced their immediate decision back in October/November to step down are now reinventing reality by saying they were being forced out. Yeah? By who? Y
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Ponderings... There are far too many people who can be viewed as guilty -- but only by association. The leadership's method of being very calculated, carefully planned and intentional in everything they did, can be very alarming. Almost every one of us who were in this cult was a slave. People were placed on Boards of Directors without ever being advised what the legal consequences fo
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Holy Moly - The puzzle pieces just keep dropping for us. Thanks Dick - I really appreciate knowing details that help sweep away every last vestige of doubt as to what was really going on, all along.
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Puddington & Reep - I was one of the Blix Girls who was taught how to think like Marilyn. In fact, I was so good at it that it was often a job assigned to me to teach others how to think like her. She was our example of how to relate correctly to "the Apostle." This part of my history in the walk/cult is part of the reason why I am so committed to revealing everything I
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Maybe the shot of whiskey I just had is making me soft in the head or heart, but I wanted to shout out to the people who have bravely been posting on this forum: THANK YOU. RichardM - I hope you won't be so overwhelmed by the huge response to your post that you feel you have to be silent. But I also know you have a beautiful family and a wonderful life and you have to be selective about
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NancyB - I think RichardM has had a wonderful life since the heartbreaking experiences he had compliments of JRS et. al. But RichardM - I too thank you from the bottom of my heart for posting. You are supplying such a huge piece of the puzzle. HUGE.
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I was contacted yesterday by Marilyn's first husband, Richard M. Holbrook. He shared some information with me that cemented suspicions and threw me into another level of grief and all of the physical and psychological stress reactions I have been experiencing since I realized that I had given 40 years to something false. I actually wept for "young Marilyn" for the first time wh
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NancyB - As you said, exposing an illusion is so full of mixed emotions. What I hope people will realize about each other, whether a person has decided to stay loyal at the present time or may have left some time ago, every single one of us suffered the horrible pain of realizing we gave everything we had to something false. We have that pain in common. The people who are exposing the tr
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Oh, these ponderings. NancyB - I want to discuss a couple of things you said recently about legal consequences for the perpetrators of abuse. I, too, am not a lawyer but even if I was still lawyering, I would only be speaking to California law. As to my doctorate of law, that is more applicable to general law and I always speak my opinions from that education but NEVER do I give legal advi
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There is a jarring documentary, "Keepers," about a subculture in a Catholic setting that resulted in the murder of a young nun who had the gall to speak up to the priest who headed the school. The documentary points out large numbers of abuses to minors and a careful dissection of the methods used in a heinous abuse of power by the priest and the murder that resulted from the nun takin
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Deborahs - Welcome and thank you for mentioning Vere Thomas. He is another example of leaders who were kicked out in the meanest possible way because he was a threat to the perverted sovereignty claimed by the walk leaders.
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I have been looking at a lot of the requirements for maintaining tax-exempt status and one principle that I am loving is that if an expenditure that seems to benefit those who are connected to, or paid by, the nonprofit is approved by the Board then all of the board members could liable for reimbursement and taxes. The way a board member (or anyone who has influence within the organization) show
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Reep - Thank you for that link and the quotes. It is so important. I have some notes I took from Rick Ross' most recent book that has been helping me too. I will share soon.
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Amos - Three cheers for someone who sounds like he or she did it right or at least was honest enough to try.
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A hearty amen of agreement to what changedagain said: "BTW, even though we've had an impressive level of participation in this forum, I suspect there are many more people still in the shadows not willing to publicly address the wounds inflicted upon them by these sociopathic 'ministries.' I understand. Whatever your process for healing happens to be--if it works, I support it
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Marilyn was not JRS' first affair - just his last. And JRS initiating prayers for the death of his first wife started much earlier than the 70's. One misconception that I believe was originated by G&M and that was used by them for decades with great success - was doing things in secret that other people would be blamed for. They would often tell someone (they did this with me) t
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Prettyboy - I'm afraid some of the legal aggression we were all feeling may be somewhat up in smoke (thank you for the Cheech reference). There are many who are down, but definitely not out. The State of NY just changed the statute of limitations so that any person sexually abused/assaulted as a minor, has until they are 55 years old to bring an action (criminal or civil). Hawaii extend
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Changed - I hope somehow Mr. Kent knows what has happened/exploded with TLWF. I was remembering a funny story today and thought I would share. I first heard the rumors about JRS' lascivious behavior and reputation for womanizing in the mid to late 60's. I had met JRS once or twice but had not yet considered being a Christian and going to the church. I was on a date with a guy I ha
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Prettyboy - Kudos on getting your Brazil investment back. My mom invested some money she inherited from her brother and of course, never saw a penny of it when the whole deal went south. My dad, a retired L.A.P.D. detective always threatened to put a hit on Harold Williams because of it. (Dad was a great talker and an even better storyteller.) It was also always a burr under my saddle because
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