Imapurple - When may I sit down?
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Purple - You hit the nail on the head about all 3 of them.
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Thank you Imapurple! Keep going, please. Confirmation of what most of us suspected. Who did Rick like? Only himself?
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The building and the SECOND building, That Studio, Rayen Resort, the horse facility at COL, COL itself. Misuse of funds. Using money given in offerings for other purposes. Lying to people about what they were giving to and for. Horrible business decisions by over-building at a high cost in a neighborhood where the costs can never be recovered. That applies to anything Rick had anything
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Imapurple - Thank you for your post. It confirms what I have said about everything being written down. I heard from someone else that worked in the room with him that he also cried out for his daughters. Did you hear that as well? I was at Blix handling admin and finances all during that time. I worked some on typing up the notes from the room where he lay dying. I also carefully read tho
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I was hoping an update would come from the Kalona News. I checked with loved ones in Shiloh and today I was told the following (with the reminder it is second- hand): _________________________________________________ To clarify: If the city of Kalona does not receive a valid proposal on using the buildings in 2 weeks the buildings will be demolished. I don't know when the demolition
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CARe - Thank you for the clarification. I have a feeling other options haven't been explored very well since the annexation to the City seemed to be viable. I hate to see aspects of the buildings lost (commercial kitchen, the nicely finished apartments). There was enough money in the trust late last year to remodel the building to be senior housing. God forbid any of the former leaders
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I don't think Gary's ego has gotten reduced to the point that he would consider a Bible study in his home. After all, when church volunteers were working on the weekly yard duties at his mansion in Honolulu, they were not allowed to enter the house to use the bathroom. After hours of searching for weeds with a magnifying glass because the yard was already manicured beyond belief, the
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I heard of a couple of sightings of Gary in the last two months or less. One was at an event on Maui that he attended with his current wife and stepson. Thinking of the life he facilitated for his previous stepson, I would be very wary of his ability to be a good influence on Silvana's sweet son. Just my opinion, of course. I also heard one of the guys who had been pastoring in the Vall
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CARe - No wonder Craig and Phyllis Haworth are selling their home. Shiloh will become a big pile of rubble. Does anyone know where they are planning on moving? Or what other properties are being sold? Apparently, Steve and Becky have moved to Georgia. If Shiloh gets money from the sale of anything, where will the money go? Perhaps to other churches that are trying to stay alive. They
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I often had conversations with JRS where I was unhappy with something he had directed or said. He never tried to shut me up. He would either "explain" stuff to me, tell me he would look deeper into the matter, or correct me. I didn't face the humiliating feeling of complete disregard, disrespect, and dislike until after JRS married Marilyn and Rick started worming his way into p
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Even the most fanatical supporters/followers/kool-aid mixers were victims of mind control and abuse. When someone became a participant in the harm as well as the financial benefit, they transformed themselves, by choice, into a perpetrator. I know people who submitted their children to the weird concepts and doctrines of the G&M era who regret it daily. Thank God, many have their relatio
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I have posted in the past concerning my distaste for the manipulative and deceptive changes made to the church corporations in 1992. I have also posted my personal knowledge that JRS NEVER commissioned Gary and Marilyn to take the Apostolic mantle. Articles of Incorporation are available as public records through the Secretary of State of California (or the applicable State) online. The By
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I have posted before my opinion that the Amended Articles of Incorporation that each TLWF church signed in 1992 accomplished what amounted to turning the churches into a denomination. They each agreed to one, central, governing person(s) - the apostolic fathering ministry purportedly held jointly by Gary and Marilyn. I was personally outraged because this skewed the corporations so far from t
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Phyllis and Craig Haworth's home is listed for sale by Kalona Realty. 186 Main Street, Kalona. I wonder how the value will be affected by being located by an abandoned monolith. The City pulling out of the annexation plan (if that happens) would give Shiloh the opportunity to fund the remodel to turn the building into senior housing. They could probably get government grants to help pa
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There is still quite a wall of secrecy around the Gary loyalists and the churches that are trying to move forward as walk churches. But there is a lot to be learned from public records and chit chat from friends and family who don't live in the area. Steve and Becky Seboldt have sold their house by CLW and it's close to being final. One of the houses owned by CLW has been sold
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But didn't JRS always say things like OF COURSE people who blow out have easier lives, they're free from battle? Which I think we all now know is slightly inaccurate....
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Changedagain - I agree. To attempt reconciliation with any of the leaders we now know were complicit in the dirty dealings financial and who were directly responsible for direct spiritual and emotional abuse of SO many people for SO many years, is a guarantee of failure. I have handled mediations many times. It consists of two people at opposite positions, discussing and compromising and eve
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Or by putting a Bloody Mary in us.
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Quoting: Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens Posted by: Onion () Date: August 31, 2019 02:30PM What a horrible legacy they leave. ----------------- Just repeating myself. Let's have a great 3 day weekend and move on to things that don't involve sin and destruction caused by fuc!wads with no morals. Okay, Saturday is mostly gone but we have two
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The Front Line: The position of champions. I would estimate that at least 80% of the messages published by The Living Word from 1951 thru 1983 had an emphasis on the honor and importance of being "all in" i.e. front line. Every message had a flavor of that or innuendos. When Pastor Serve completed their evaluations of the walk churches they were invited into, two areas I remembe
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I Woke Up: Is there an entity under Haworth Family Ministries? Of course I will look it up but I would love to know what you've heard even if not verified because it will help my search. It would make sense that a G&M clone couple would establish a way to siphon money like they were taught. After all, didn't they have a crew working on the perfect tape labels for releasing Craig&
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I Woke Up - I just saw your post with the email from Shiloh. Without using your name (I Woke Up), may I post that letter to the entire Earth far and wide? And my I encourage everyone to do the same? All the FB groups that are related to TLWF should have it. My initial response is that it is one of the better communications to come out of TLWF leadership because you can tell the writer was t
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I agree the procedure was: potatoed, dog house, nephilim - sometimes alternating the cycle quickly just to be sure no one ever felt any security because no one could anticipate on any day how they would be treated by the people they were supposed to give themselves and all their worth to. Oh and give their marriages and children to too. When referencing the gourd diet I used the word opposed
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I think the term gourd disappeared during one of G&M's many diet crazes that they opposed on all of the church members, when it was found to make horrible tasting healthy soup.
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Does the doghouse occur before or after being potatoed? Or maybe the same thing.
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Saw Enough's post - WOW. Thanks for reposting it Reepicheep. I had forgotten about it and it is so worth re-reading. Very detailed and eloquent. I will add some information I learned recently - as of about 2010/11 people were being informed that JRS was the past, we were not to be focused on him or talking about him anymore, and we were moving on with the focus on Gary not JRS. I don&
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Clarification: When I say Rick Holbrook is a criminal, that is my opinion. But my opinion is based on seeing ample evidence and having a doctorate of law. Similarly, my statements re: the criminal status of Gary Hargrave, Marilyn Hargrave and Rick Holbrook is based on my opinion and understanding of the available evidence. I strongly believe that if any of those people wished to challenge
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Aardvark - P.S. You said: My problem with LWF is mainly around the oppression and condemnation I lived under for years, which coexisted along with great blessing and deep relationships. The word “Dedication” became part of the LWF idolatry resulting in the feeling that you could never do enough to please God. I had to get out of that unhealthy atmosphere to feel Gods love and favor again, whi
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Aardvark - I sent you a private message earlier. I have identified myself on this forum (Mary Wyatt) and I've identified myself as Onion on various Facebook groups that I no longer participate in because of the level of anger that I don't need in my life. I had a lot of first hand knowledge of things that were done by JRS because I worked with him closely in Accounting and Legal a
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