It's really quite telling that Gary Hargrave, formerly "Apostolic Fathering Ministry" of The Living Word Fellowship, now simply of "Hargrave Ministries", is deleting the comments of his former congregants/slaves as quickly as they are posted. He probably isn't doing that himself. He probably has "people"/slave labor for such things. I hope those slave peopl
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Bill Hart was glittery too? He wasn't when he was part of the Valley church. Mahesh sure was, though. Trickery and chicanery.
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > For all the adoration Marilyn wished to > have heaped upon herself, as well as wanting to be > called 'mother', she comported herself more like a > tramp than a 'lamp'. > > JRS, for his part, knew full well what he > was getting himself into by the time they got > married, a
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Thanks, Onion. Blood diamonds...had to look it up. WTF? JRS was quite a piece of work. Silver/gold mines, complete with his very own slave labor (including children), blood diamonds, bars of gold and silver... Then G&M and RH and crew tkicked it up to a whole unearthly level. They all make me sick.
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Onion Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Onion () Date: August 05, 2020 01:22PM In light of the new Gary Hargrave presence on facebook, twitter, and his Promised (threatened) podcast and website - it would be great when you are reposting old posts if you would start reposting some of my old posts. I was a first hand witness to a lot and Gary's n
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > One of his projects: > Yad Eliezer Food Box Program - Feeding the > poor and breaking the cycle of poverty in Israel. > > > This new concern for the poor indicates a > remarkable transformation from the person > Imapurple routinely encountered while in The > Living Word fellowshi
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TheJewel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > walknntalkn Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Look who's got a shiny new website: > > > Whoever had "Zionist podcaster" on your bingo > > card, please collect your winnings! > > > > 9018 Balboa Blvd. is a UPS Store, by the w
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The web site is slickly done...and it presents an > image of himself that that is completely opposite > of what he really is...but those who endured 35+ > years of his fraudulent "ministry" should not be > surprised by this. Fortunately for him, he has > ample financial resources that
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walknntalkn Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Look who's got a shiny new website: > > > Whoever had "Zionist podcaster" on your bingo > card, please collect your winnings! > > 9018 Balboa Blvd. is a UPS Store, by the way. I > wonder who he sends to pick up the checks? Wow! Thanks for posting, walkntalkn. If you c
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens Posted by: changedagain () Date: August 04, 2020 07:21AM kBOY Wrote: > That grin on his face demonstrates just how > remorseful he is for ruining so many lives with > his 'world-wide ministry'. Anyone that has had anything to do with him is not fooled by that contrived smile. They know the cut-throat ope
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 'Sit Down, Shut Up and Listen' > (the opening line of the Sermon of the Mount, if > delivered by Marilyn) The Beatitudes according to Marilyn: 1. Blessed are the girls who keep their spirit in their sneakers for they shall be mushrooms. 2. Blessed are the women with killer spirits for the
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Someone once told me that JRS realized that Marilyn was "worse than Martha" even before he became ill. It seems that on his deathbed he may have wished himself back to a time before he had created a life "full of vain striving and defeated ambition".
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A M A Z I N G p e o p l e > > I live in a community of amazing people, not > because they are extraordinary (while some > certainly are), but because community, as opposed > to organization, allows people to be themselves.  > Relationships are then fluid and dynamic, with no > party lording it
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Changed, Now we can laugh. Back then, not so much. : )
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I was heavily involved in the intercession in the > mid to late 70's, and I recall the idea of him > being the "door-opener" and/or the "apostle to the > Kingdom" being frequently referenced in our > vocalized prayers at church services...with him > present and not contr
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I can't remember the exact time frame that the phrase "door-opener apostle" began to be used, but what I can say is that it was a natural progression from previous teachings. If JRS ever told anyone not to use that terminology, I never heard him say that. If the term didn't originate with him, you can bet that he dropped plenty of hints to let people know what he wanted, as he
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Thanks for sharing, PowerTrip. So glad you are safe. And now to those who won't or can't leave the group formerly known as TLWF. I was just like you for over forty years. Here is a word to the wise: The owners of The Walk/The Living Word Fellowship have been degenerate conmen and women from the start. Yes, I said "owners" because that's what they are. Did you think
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Hi corboy, Nice to hear from you. This subject of demands for forgiveness seems to keep coming up. Frankly, I have trouble taking this kind of religious pomposity at face value. It reminds me of one of the last services I attended in TLWF. The golden boy had transgressed, yet again. Most people knew that something was not right. The apostolic company gathered to address the flock. What words o
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puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I wonder if Gary Hargrave is telling people that > COVID-19 is a hoax? Either that or he's selling lots of MFC products. Or both.
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Putting these posts together in this way creates a strong impact and tells a story. Thanks for doing this, changedagain. BOUNDARIES
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I also remember the first church summer camp I went to. In the afternoons, kids were swimming in the pool. Brother Stevens was chasing girls around and throwing them in the pool. He was growling and trying to scare these teenagers in bikinis. It seemed very strange to me, and I stayed away.
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These posts from Richard M., Marilyn Hargrave's first husband, and her cousin, fromsouthchicago, are very triggering. As a young teen in the Valley church, I had no idea about JRS' philandering. I now believe that he had affairs with Marilyn and many others. I thought he was an old man, and took his words at face value. My first experience with his inappropriate attention was a slap on
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Love these posts by slandjt and FCSLC, changed. Slandjt wrote: "...I moved on from the Walk a long time ago, and although it will always be a part of my life, I now have a much quieter, peaceful life and a much greater understanding of the human condition. FCSLC wrote: "Doing it yourself takes some time, but one thing is for sure, the approval or disapproval of others beco
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Posted by: seventies walker Date: August 14, 2017 05:24PM "Lived like witness protection for 20 years. No friends, no history, no church." I think a lot of people feel that way after leaving TLWF, seventies walker. :'( Here's an interesting article on leaving a cult or religion.
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TheJewel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > TheJewel Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------ > RD was a real weirdo. > > > Jewel, wasn't being deviant a requirement for > apostleship? Apparently so but I didn’t know that at the time
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TheJewel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------ RD was a real weirdo. Jewel, wasn't being deviant a requirement for apostleship?
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A couple posts from February of 2018: > > Posted by: TheycalledmeJonah > Date: February 20, 2018 11:52AM > > What a splendid idea! Perhaps we should also bind > and loose the entire journey!? > > After last years trip (happened around the same > time frame) SEVERAL services we
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I admire your courage, Aleutian, in knowingly or > unknowingly violating 'divine order.' Hope you're > doing well. > > Posted by: Aleutian > Date: January 10, 2019 12:12PM > > I recently recalled a time I was volunteering > working on ¨G and M´s¨ luxury home on Oahu
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This post by 'fool me twice' from March of 2019 > which mentions an encounter she had with the > 'Apostle of love': > > Posted by: fool me twice > Date: March 23, 2019 10:57AM > > Onion wrote: > Fool me twice: How many hours did you work to > earn that whopp
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There's a lot pain and a lot of power in these posts about becoming free after years of submitting to "authority". As a teenager in The Walk, I was told stories about the death and destruction that awaited those who rebelled. If God didn't kill you in a fiery crash, you faced a failed, miserable life of knowing that you were not fit for the kingdom of their god. You would los
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