From post by: Wasted Date: October 30, 2020 03:28PM "My experience as a kid (0-18) was really nothing negative towards me. However, I learned things that happened to my parents once the Shalom letter came out that I never knew. For example: my mom was told not to further her career and education, but to focus on giving her paycheck to the church (her full paycheck) to support the kingdom
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I have a question. Whenever someone submitted something, especially during the G&M era, ministries would say they would "pray" about it or "wait on the Lord" about it. Did anyone actually observe this prayer and waiting on the Lord happen...ever?
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The above stories reported regarding YASP in Shiloh are very much in keeping with what I know to be true. I know for a fact that young people in the program fainted, had heat exhaustion, and suffered other serious ailments from doing hours of hard manual labor in the Iowa heat and humidity. I became ill once while guarding the front gate, and I wasn't doing hard labor in the blazing sun...ju
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I happen to have an old First Principles and a new one from the most recent edition printed in 1999. They polished up the whole thing, but I was especially looking at Lesson 39: Babylon. It was changed considerably and sanitized of many of the references to Mary the mother of Jesus being compared to Semiramus, queen of heaven. For example, roman numeral III went from "Let us further examine
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Silas wrote: > Hargrave and Esteves were interviewed for > Catholic radio and television, reaching out to > over ten million believers in all of Brazil and > the world, before being escorted to hold a private > audience with Cardinal Dom Orani. > > Incredible I believe that JRS is
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > with the 1,100 confessions and 1,200 > conversions. > > That's quite a bit. Yes. I would say that it is.
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Changedagain wrote: LOL I wonder if these men of God are still dear friends? Maybe something happened that put a strain on their relationship. **************** Yes, I wonder too. LOL! I wonder if they still cover up for little Ricky Holbrook?
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I sure don't miss all the pressure to exalt top > leadership while in TLWF. Silas was one of the > biggest proponents of it...being a recipient, of > course. > > Post from March of 2017: > > Celebration of Oneness through the Holy Spirit > By Silas Esteves March 2nd, 2017 &g
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And the corollary: Be glad that you saw the crazy and got the hell out. Go forth and enjoy being a worthwhile human. ; )
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All I can say is, once you see the crazy, you can't unsee it. Keep your BS detectors tuned up. There's a LOT of crazy out there.
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Posted by: Tmason Date: February 13, 2019 09:48PM Speaking of how the G&M dynasty drummed out any would be competitors....I was thinking that its seems very odd that the extremely popular elders that were beaten with an organic carrot and hung by their toes to dry seem to have family members that assumed leadership roles after their executions. Think Leilani, Sarah Statton Raba and her hu
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Great posts from Paleface and Larry Bobo. Thank you for reposting, Changedagain. I remember quite well the phrase, "You're killing John." And all the other stuff after he died. As Paleface wrote: "It didn't help with MH saying stuff like 'I don't need you. I have to move fast to get John back.'. We were again blamed, this time for not bringing John back.
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Poem written by Janja Lalich in 1986, one year after leaving the Democratic Workers Party political cult. She went from cult member to cult expert. For more to this story, here is the link. I can relate to her powerful words. "I guess the worst part about it is what they did to my brain They took my brain and along with it my feelings my control my passion and my love. They too
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NancyB wrote: Sounds like "black mail" cards to be filed for future use. It sure does, NancyB. What a crock. Once you see the crazy, you can never unsee it.
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4generation, Your post gives evidence of the futility of TLWF. I hope that Gary, Rick, Silas and others are held accountable. They are narcissistic sociopaths. There is no other plausible explanation. They certainly cannot know God or speak for God...unless God is really the devil.
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Indeed, Changed. Or perhaps the sin card of the Divine Lamp repented for not worshipping herself enough.
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Reep wrote: > And then that evening, in the church bar, Rick > said that they were considering selling the “sin > cards” to the highest bidder. > > I doubt this 'sin card' ever made it onto a cross, > but if it did, I wonder how much it would fetch: > > "This is prob
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Posted by: changedagain Date: April 09, 2019 02:16AM If this forum dies, my only request is that it not be buried in the Shiloh cemetery. If this happens anyway, I sincerely hope those attending the funeral are not charged more than $40 per person. I want our forum to always be remembered as being extremely fair. Here is the original post. Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Reep wrote: > Also, someone wanted to buy flowers for the > front porch. A few people shared the cost, but we > were told not to put our names on the card, > because we shouldn't try to get credit for doing > something nice. > > Hi Marilyn, > Since I know I will not receive bro
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Posted by: that little red flag Date: November 28, 2018 10:19PM I haven't been around at the local SD church for almost 5 years, but they had the apartment there (the Taco Shell). At some point I was involved in cleaning and set up for 2 - 3 years, and involved in getting all the new furniture and decor at one time. One of the times, years ago before the remodel, was so ridiculous. Someo
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Changedagain wrote: And yet, some will live out their lives convinced that 'The Apostle' spoke a "word from God," was laying the foundation for the Kingdom age, and was motivated by a consuming love for God's people. Those who had personal encounters with him as lowly 'sheep,' however, tended to think otherwise. A couple posts from FoolMeTwice...suggests that
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changedagain Wrote: -------------------------------------------- Our Survival Is Based On Obedience June 29, 2018 - by Gary Hargrave "This Word shows us that as we move out of a place of relative safety in our walk with God and into harm’s way, our obedience to the Father will determine life or death. We will face lies about the Word of God and against the Father Himself which w
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Twoteetwo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- I want to apologize to everyone for extolling the virtues of deceased Christian apologist Ravi Zacharias on this thread in May, and for holding him up as a counterpoint to John Stevens. Apparently he, like John, was a charismatic sexual predator, and also like John, was protected in that role by those closest to him. Maybe
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I'd rather be a Jezebel than a JRS or a GH or an MH. Also, obedience is highly overrated.
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Onion wrote: > My cousin in Iowa shared with me that the > English River offshoot of Shiloh, had an email > from Steve Seboldt (which was read aloud in their > Zoom service) where he said TLW is moving to > Georgia. He also said the TLW properties in > California are all up for sale. He also
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Now we rise up as one As warhorses we run We are (judging?) everything that comes against us. Something, something, blood and guts (just kidding). And we won't hesitate to seal the enemy's fate We are jealous for the name of Jehovah And there's no sympathy for the evil we see We are jealous for the name of Jehovah. Yes, we're jealous for the name of Jehovah! OMG!
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for sharing, Reep. I was snapping my > fingers as I was reading it. > Catchy lyrics! > I can't recall after singing this song whether we > often broke into singing in the spirit. I'll > assume we did. Lol!
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The previous song sung to Heartbreak Hotel tune. Or this, sung to We Will Rock You (I forgot a few words.) Jezebel the harlot (breathes?) no more The sons of God will kill the whore You got blood on your face, you big disgrace Spreading your (lies?) all over the place We will, we will judge you (judge you). We will, we will judge you (judge you).
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How about... Jezebel the harlot Queen of Babylon.... (forgot this verse) Throw her from the tower To the streets below And let the dogs devour her bones And reap just what she's sowed. Because, she's been so wicked baby She's been so wicked now She's been so wicked She's gonna die. Wonderful memories of lovely seventies "worship" services. :
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens new Posted by: changedagain () Date: December 30, 2020 08:51AM Back then, I suppose I was "religious" in the sense that I would prefer ministry from a sober pastor rather than a drunk (i.e. sh*tfaced) pastor. Today, of course, I would never seek guidance from a religious "authority"--drunk or sober. ********
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