That ship has certainly sailed. Plus I have no desire to be compared to King David, who allegedly wrote Psalm 51 after having his friend killed and taking his wife. What a guy. If God called that mess "a right spirit", then I have a quarrel with the Big Guy upstairs (aka God).
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changedagain Wrote: _____________________________ Anyway, everyone stay safe, and let's get through this present plague with our health...maintaining a "right spirit." :) No promises to keep a right spirit, Changed. ; )
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Blowout, I tend to agree with your opinion about religion. I still teeter on the edge of non-religion while yet holding a kernal of faith. I will probably never attend a church again. But I do believe that it is possible to have a personal belief system that is private and does not seek to convince others. To me, that is personal, and not a step towards cult mentality.
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Changed: Great post from GSchaeff. "Current members have suddenly been forced to question their innermost beliefs. These are core beliefs that have been deeply rooted for decades. I never felt more alone than the day I began asking myself those deep questions about TLWF. It is beautiful to see old friends being there for each other; it gives me hope for the future." As we all know
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Jesus stated in his version, "If you have seen me then you have seen the Father" (reference needed), and demonstrated with his life none of the disturbing behaviors mentioned above. Not only that, the Prodigal Parable places the responsibility for our worldly experience directly in our lap, exonerating HEAVEN entir
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- I'm sure years ago regular contributors to the forum were labeled as liars, bitter spirits, satanic channels (nephilim) to those who have chosen to support TLWF leaders. Disinformation is a powerful tool...and will be continued to be used by greedy, power-hungry 'ministries'...while they insist that those
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Changed and kBOY, oh my! Where to begin. I'm glad that they are theoretically not meeting during a pandemic, so that's something anyway. The fact that work is being done remotely to continue putting out Hidden Treasures aka ancient JRS sermons, WOW! Gotta keep that money for standing orders coming in. And the Passover links....stale is right. They were already stale before they were spo
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True kBOY. Does anyone know if TLW wordworkers are considered essential workers? I hope not. Because leaders there will use people up and spit them out. They only care about themselves.
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They do their best to destroy any part of your life that they feel is threatening to the "hive mind" or to the hypnotic spell that keeps people oppressed and submissive to leaders. Then when you leave broken and having spent most of your life beaten down, they expect you to remain fearful and quiet like a mouse in the corner for all of your remaining days. Once awakened, former members
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This post by Reepicheep back in February of 2018. > Some things never change, like intimidating > ex-members of a cult in an attempt to silence > them. I suspect nearly every person posting in > this forum who spent time in TLWF has had an > experience of being pressured/intimidated by one >
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm not sure about bobbing, weaving and falling > over...since I wasn't there to witness it...but I > did hear John conducted a few one-on-one > 'bless-ins' during the 70's at a Van Nuy's motel. > ;) From my understanding, way before the seventies. 8-\ For all
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TH, yes. I remember the Bless Ins of the late sixties and early seventies. JRS claimed that spiritual energy flowed from the palm of one person's hand and could be "drawn" by the back of another person's hand. He also said that spiritual energy flowed from left to right. He would have two or more people form a circle with right hand under their neighbor's and left hand ov
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Thanks, TH. Glad you are chiming in. JRS was indeed controlling people from the very beginning. It took some of us a very, very long time to realize this.
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CARe Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Thanks for the info about WJ Stevens, CARe. > Would > > you feel comfortable telling the approximate > time > > period that the inappropriate behavior > occurred? > > That makes me sad, but sort of makes sense. His > > son was very comfortable being inappropriate > > towa
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th231955 wrote: Did you know who Tony Hartley was? ----------------------- No, th231955. Who is he?
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > CARe wrote: > GH brought a word approx a month ago regarding > the wood being pruned from the vines. > > He identified himself as wood? That's interesting > :) Changed, thanks for your humor. It always makes me LOL! ; )
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th231955 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thank you for the response! Bowman's passing > grieves me even now! That crazy guy was a good > friend to me as a younger guy! He did flashcards > to memorize Scripture and I'll never forget the > one we learned together! Proverbs 26:14! I haven't > seen Enos for many years! I'm
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CARe Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thought I should add a few pieces to the puzzle: > > th231955 Monty was living in Ireland a few years > ago. > > I have heard a 1st hand account of WJ Stevens > being inappropriate with a young woman. It is her > story so I will not say more except that he wasn't > as great as some th
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CJLOR Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yes, thank you Reepicheep. Greatly appreciate you > sharing the podcast episode here on the CEI forum > (--> > www.ltaspod.com/23) > > TLWF loyalists (I'm guessing there are some of you > here): > > What information shared in the podcast episode do > you dispute? > >
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Typer, I hope that it can help people still being fooled by Gary Hargrave too. The podcast is excellent, but if you don't have time to listen right away, there is also a link to a transcript on the website.
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Here is a link to a very comprehensive podcast episode about The Living Word Fellowship. From the podcast's home page: "Let's Talk About Sects is an award-winning, 100% independent monthly podcast focusing on a different cult each episode. Host Sarah Steel takes a storytelling, deep dive approach, looking at the history of a sect's leaders, the recruitment of members, the
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Reep wrote: > Yes, they should have kept ALL that shit to > themselves. But then, Gary Hargrave actually said, > "Mom and I like to do it a lot" to a Valley church > sanctuary full of young people. SMH > > If their intent was to kill the libido of the > younger generation, thi
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Perhaps I'm adhering to an unrealistic standard, but I still think 'Mom' should have at least waited until her husband (aka 'The Apostle to the Kingdom') breathed his last breath...before getting busy with another man. And if she really did enjoy her new husband's 'tool,' no need
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Not only (apparently) were the key leaders of TLWF > getting busy (so to speak) as John lay dying, but > later they made sure to blame the fellowship for > not loving John enough, not praying for him > enough...essentially being responsible for his > death. > Be the opposite of what you prea
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Changed, I know there was also a wedding in Shiloh. They may have also had one in the islands.
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Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > John Robert Stevens died on June 4th, 1983. Gary > Hargrave and Marilyn Stevens married on March > 17th, 1984. Not sure if that was the date of their > wedding at CLW or not. Sickos. Hey...isn't that St. Patrick's Day? You'd think we would remember that if the wedding was that day. All t
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John Robert Stevens died on June 4th, 1983. Gary Hargrave and Marilyn Stevens married on March 17th, 1984. Not sure if that was the date of their wedding at CLW or not. Sickos.
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I agree with Invisible's, kBOY's and Changed's perspectives regarding Marilyn. John and Marilyn's public wedding took place at Church of His Holy Presence in Anaheim on October 4th, 1980. However, public records show that they were legally married on September 8th of 1980. Could that have been the private ceremony that Invisible attended? Or was there a previous private "
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Post by Saw enough from September of 2015: > > Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John > Robert Stevens > Posted by: Saw enough > Date: September 11, 2015 02:42PM > > JRS used to say that people would half-heartedly > excuse themselves by saying things like, "I have a
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Posted by: 40yearsin2016 Date: September 25, 2018 02:07PM Ok I'll play... but instead of filling in a questionnaire, Here's what I require for my healing. Amy should, being charged the responsibility since "Gary doesn't want to get involved": 1 - Read this forum - all 689 pages 2 - Read Woodrow Nichols book - all of it. Based on that research generate a l
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