Also, Marilyn claimed that she cleaned bathrooms in the early days of the Valley church (CLW). That story is utterly laughable, IMO. In fact, I'm laughing right now.
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Reep, I vaguely recall each one of them having a story that indicated they did a bit of manual labor. John mentioned in the early days of South Gate, while working on the church, he hammered him thumb rather than a nail...a folksy tidbit he included in sermons a few times. Gary claimed he did carpentry work at the SD
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Chicken catching? At least I was spared that. Posted by: fool me twice Date: March 23, 2019 08:01AM kbyrne wrote: Yes, and add to that not just the free labor, sub-minimum wage, but the money that was made FOR TLW from kingdom businesses. I don't know how many times I went "chicken catching."
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > From January, 2016: > > Posted by: TheJewel > Date: January 09, 2016 03:51AM > > I wanted to make a comment in answer to someone’s > post (too lazy to go back and hunt down who) > regarding whether JRS was a member of the John > Birch Society. While I cannot say one way or the >
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Thank you Larry Bobo and thank you, Changed. I have been called a nephilim a few times (even on this forum). I have decided to look at this as a badge of honor for standing with those who have been hurt by the cowardly leaders of TLWF. Yay to all my fellow nephs! Go team!
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Wow! So many readers, commenters and deep > thinkers. Go Team Neph! > > Yes. I'm betting that God identifies more with > Team Neph and Team Jez, than he does with Team > VIP. No idea about Team Shitfaced. I think you're right. ; )
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Posted by: dbc Date: August 20, 2021 09:57PM Still checking in, Reep. Some perspective and the long view is always helpful. I think we all feel a bit sheepish about being so duped, so naïve, but we were living our lives with passion and it felt so right. The fault is not ours but the ones who led us over the cliff so cynically. We sacrificed family relationships, careers, friendships, and yea
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Posted by: changedagain Date: August 27, 2021 09:52AM Present stats: Comments: 11,913 Page views: 2,529,751 Nephilim participating: seems like quite a few :) Wow! So many readers, commenters and deep thinkers. Go Team Neph!
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dbc Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for digging that up and reposting. The > damage has not abated. The perpetrators got off > scot free. Many gave up the best years of their > lives. "There's a place for us ...." we have to > move forward and reclaim our essence - but that's > so difficult to do as a deliberate
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thank you again 4generation for this clear and > powerful post from December of 2019. Hope you are > doing well. Posted by: 4generation Date: December 28, 2019 12:28AM Welcome Powertrip, so good to see another brazilian posting here. Unfortunately what you shared with us is not a surprise to me
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From kBOY's WALK TALK Lexicon: Victory Siege = The heyday of Shiloh (summer of 1979--400+ people living in building) storming Heaven attempting to give God a black eye I always think of this when I hear "Under His Eye" in Handmaid's Tale. But really all the heaven stormers achieved was making themselves hoarse and giving themselves PTSD. And God help the poor children wh
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From post by: Wasted Date: October 30, 2020 03:28PM "My experience as a kid (0-18) was really nothing negative towards me. However, I learned things that happened to my parents once the Shalom letter came out that I never knew. For example: my mom was told not to further her career and education, but to focus on giving her paycheck to the church (her full paycheck) to support the kingdom
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I have a question. Whenever someone submitted something, especially during the G&M era, ministries would say they would "pray" about it or "wait on the Lord" about it. Did anyone actually observe this prayer and waiting on the Lord happen...ever?
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The above stories reported regarding YASP in Shiloh are very much in keeping with what I know to be true. I know for a fact that young people in the program fainted, had heat exhaustion, and suffered other serious ailments from doing hours of hard manual labor in the Iowa heat and humidity. I became ill once while guarding the front gate, and I wasn't doing hard labor in the blazing sun...ju
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I happen to have an old First Principles and a new one from the most recent edition printed in 1999. They polished up the whole thing, but I was especially looking at Lesson 39: Babylon. It was changed considerably and sanitized of many of the references to Mary the mother of Jesus being compared to Semiramus, queen of heaven. For example, roman numeral III went from "Let us further examine
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Silas wrote: > Hargrave and Esteves were interviewed for > Catholic radio and television, reaching out to > over ten million believers in all of Brazil and > the world, before being escorted to hold a private > audience with Cardinal Dom Orani. > > Incredible I believe that JRS is
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > with the 1,100 confessions and 1,200 > conversions. > > That's quite a bit. Yes. I would say that it is.
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Changedagain wrote: LOL I wonder if these men of God are still dear friends? Maybe something happened that put a strain on their relationship. **************** Yes, I wonder too. LOL! I wonder if they still cover up for little Ricky Holbrook?
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I sure don't miss all the pressure to exalt top > leadership while in TLWF. Silas was one of the > biggest proponents of it...being a recipient, of > course. > > Post from March of 2017: > > Celebration of Oneness through the Holy Spirit > By Silas Esteves March 2nd, 2017 &g
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And the corollary: Be glad that you saw the crazy and got the hell out. Go forth and enjoy being a worthwhile human. ; )
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All I can say is, once you see the crazy, you can't unsee it. Keep your BS detectors tuned up. There's a LOT of crazy out there.
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Posted by: Tmason Date: February 13, 2019 09:48PM Speaking of how the G&M dynasty drummed out any would be competitors....I was thinking that its seems very odd that the extremely popular elders that were beaten with an organic carrot and hung by their toes to dry seem to have family members that assumed leadership roles after their executions. Think Leilani, Sarah Statton Raba and her hu
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Great posts from Paleface and Larry Bobo. Thank you for reposting, Changedagain. I remember quite well the phrase, "You're killing John." And all the other stuff after he died. As Paleface wrote: "It didn't help with MH saying stuff like 'I don't need you. I have to move fast to get John back.'. We were again blamed, this time for not bringing John back.
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Poem written by Janja Lalich in 1986, one year after leaving the Democratic Workers Party political cult. She went from cult member to cult expert. For more to this story, here is the link. I can relate to her powerful words. "I guess the worst part about it is what they did to my brain They took my brain and along with it my feelings my control my passion and my love. They too
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NancyB wrote: Sounds like "black mail" cards to be filed for future use. It sure does, NancyB. What a crock. Once you see the crazy, you can never unsee it.
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4generation, Your post gives evidence of the futility of TLWF. I hope that Gary, Rick, Silas and others are held accountable. They are narcissistic sociopaths. There is no other plausible explanation. They certainly cannot know God or speak for God...unless God is really the devil.
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Indeed, Changed. Or perhaps the sin card of the Divine Lamp repented for not worshipping herself enough.
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Reep wrote: > And then that evening, in the church bar, Rick > said that they were considering selling the “sin > cards” to the highest bidder. > > I doubt this 'sin card' ever made it onto a cross, > but if it did, I wonder how much it would fetch: > > "This is prob
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Posted by: changedagain Date: April 09, 2019 02:16AM If this forum dies, my only request is that it not be buried in the Shiloh cemetery. If this happens anyway, I sincerely hope those attending the funeral are not charged more than $40 per person. I want our forum to always be remembered as being extremely fair. Here is the original post. Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Reep wrote: > Also, someone wanted to buy flowers for the > front porch. A few people shared the cost, but we > were told not to put our names on the card, > because we shouldn't try to get credit for doing > something nice. > > Hi Marilyn, > Since I know I will not receive bro
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