I have a question. Whenever someone submitted something, especially during the G&M era, ministries would say they would "pray" about it or "wait on the Lord" about it. Did anyone actually observe this prayer and waiting on the Lord happen...ever?

I have a question. Whenever someone submitted something, especially during the G&M era, ministries would say they would "pray" about it or "wait on the Lord" about it. Did anyone actually observe this prayer and waiting on the Lord happen...ever?

I suspect even God did not witness it. He too must take it by faith.

Post by "Wasted" from October 2020:

Posted by: Wasted
Date: October 30, 2020 03:28PM

I have spent a lot of time reading many people’s stories and experiences within the cult that was/is The Living Word Fellowship. It is horrible, disgusting, and I am so sorry for all of those it has impacted. Thank you to so many who have shared. I sincerely hope as you move forward from these experiences you are able to find peace, healing, and justice.

I know many people that have also shared personal stories with me that have not spoken publicly about things (myself included) that makes it evident there are endless layers to the destruction this organization has caused. Some encounters so terrible that individuals have blocked it out of their minds to never have to relive it again. I have seen a therapist on a regular basis for 2-3 years now to help uncover things I have forgotten, talk about the things I was told never to speak of, and unravel my mind and emotions to simply try to feel normal.

I wanted to share some of my story in hopes that it will help in the healing process. Many have been able to continue with life as normal, but I find myself struggling on a daily basis to keep going – and many days feel like I won’t make it.

I was born into the fellowship and a part of it my entire life until about 3 years ago. I left “officially” about 6 months before Shalom’s letter was released. I grew up in a church that was considered a “local church” not a “kingdom facility.” The church I was in connected with Shiloh as the kingdom facility in charge, though throughout the 80’s , 90’s, and 00’s , directives from Shiloh were still often coming from or influenced by the Los Angeles facility.

My experience as a kid (0-18) was really nothing negative towards me. However, I learned things that happened to my parents once the Shalom letter came out that I never knew. For example: my mom was told not to further her career and education, but to focus on giving her paycheck to the church (her full paycheck) to support the kingdom. My dad was called a Nephilim and the church directed people to pray for his death and business failure. My mom was sexually assaulted and raped. They both volunteered at the church 20-40 hours a week. I never knew any of that was happening as a kid, except volunteer time because I was there for part of it. Even with all of that I was told to give my life to the church, and was called rebellious whenever I asked a question or acted like a normal kid/teenager.

When I was 18, John and Chris Sayer entered my life, and to put it simply, ruined my life. But…I didn’t know that yet. J&C were “commissioned” over the young people at that time, and had just moved to Palmer Lake, CO. Our local church was closed down by Gary and Marilyn after they visited (the one and only time they ever visited), and all of the money that the local church had (which was quite a bit) and that the local church was never allowed to spend, was given to the General Fund in a church transfer. My parents moved to Colorado as they were directed to, and in a visit to CO with my family, that’s where John and Chris inserted themselves and changed people’s lives for no agenda but their own…and Gary and Marilyn’s…of course.

As this is already long, I’ll pause for now, and return later. Still to come on J&C…forced relationships, submission, more nephilims, abuse of all kinds (sexual, mental, physical, substance, financial, etc), abortion, neglect, public displays of discipline and power, and more!

From post by: Wasted
Date: October 30, 2020 03:28PM

"My experience as a kid (0-18) was really nothing negative towards me. However, I learned things that happened to my parents once the Shalom letter came out that I never knew. For example: my mom was told not to further her career and education, but to focus on giving her paycheck to the church (her full paycheck) to support the kingdom. My dad was called a Nephilim and the church directed people to pray for his death and business failure. My mom was sexually assaulted and raped. They both volunteered at the church 20-40 hours a week. I never knew any of that was happening as a kid, except volunteer time because I was there for part of it. Even with all of that I was told to give my life to the church, and was called rebellious whenever I asked a question or acted like a normal kid/teenager.

"When I was 18, John and Chris Sayer entered my life, and to put it simply, ruined my life. But…I didn’t know that yet. J&C were “commissioned” over the young people at that time, and had just moved to Palmer Lake, CO. Our local church was closed down by Gary and Marilyn after they visited (the one and only time they ever visited), and all of the money that the local church had (which was quite a bit) and that the local church was never allowed to spend, was given to the General Fund in a church transfer. My parents moved to Colorado as they were directed to, and in a visit to CO with my family, that’s where John and Chris inserted themselves and changed people’s lives for no agenda but their own…and Gary and Marilyn’s…of course.

"As this is already long, I’ll pause for now, and return later. Still to come on J&C…forced relationships, submission, more nephilims, abuse of all kinds (sexual, mental, physical, substance, financial, etc), abortion, neglect, public displays of discipline and power, and more!"

Thanks for reposting this, Changedagain. Heartbreaking. Wasted, you only posted once, so if you're still reading I hope you'll write more of your story. You are definitely not alone.

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Reep wrote:
Thanks for reposting this, Changedagain. Heartbreaking. Wasted, you only posted once, so if you're still reading I hope you'll write more of your story. You are definitely not alone.

Yes

Note to former self:
When you are standing in a late-70's 'violent intercession' service, prayer warriors demanding that God fulfill his promises...and hear someone from the platform prophecy "WE'VE GOT YOU BY THE BALLS, GOD!!"--veins popping from his neck--perhaps that it is the time to seriously consider exiting the scene. To your credit, however, you restrained yourself from screaming 'YES, THAT'S RIGHT!!' in response.
#NotesToFormerSelf

Hope you're doing well, typer.

From April of 2020
Posted by: typer
Date: April 23, 2020 12:26PM

I hear quite a few people are moving from San Diego to Arizona right now. I hope they are delivering themselves from the cult; and that San Diego diehards will finally go away and / or find healing from the toxic Julie Larson / Bruce Larson poison and other henchmen like Seebolt and the senior Sayers. We are still being bombarded with joining a group online that has Sunday services in the Shiloh group headed by Phylis Hayworth and her husband Craig, the loyalists of Gary at Shiloh. I love Simon Nisely. I hope he finds a way to someday run from this poison. The violent intercession is back, from what I hear, online from the Shiloh group of about 40-60 people. Violence not tolerating those loving the poor and downtrodden in the earth. Today I am feeling quite pissed off.

typer wrote:
The violent intercession is back, from what I hear, online from the Shiloh group of about 40-60 people.

Like all the violent intercession in the Walk/TLWF, it appears to have had the opposite effect. In fact, I think the best way to not have something happen, is to pray violently for it to happen...persistently "hitting God under the eye," and basically pissing him off. That's assuming he exists and has ever bothered to listen to the maniacal demands of his "sons." Seems unlikely :)
#TakingVeryLongNap



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changedagain Wrote:
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> typer wrote:
> The violent intercession is back, from what I
> hear, online from the Shiloh group of about 40-60
> people.
>
> Like all the violent intercession in the
> Walk/TLWF, it appears to have had the opposite
> effect. In fact, I think the best way to
> not have something happen, is to pray
> violently for it to happen...persistently "hitting
> God under the eye," and basically pissing him off.
> That's assuming he exists and has ever bothered to
> listen to the maniacal demands of his "sons."
> Seems unlikely :)
> #TakingVeryLongNap

The god who created the universe has surely figured out how to make a volume control by now.