I didn't know the term "lurker" was a derogatory term either. I recall watching one of Charles Manson's parole hearings and Charlie was asked "Mr. Manson, what would you do if you were to win your parole this time?" Charlie said "I would move to some city somewhere and just LURK in the bushes of the city park."
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > For those interested in seeing all the information > TLW attempted to delete from Wikipedia, here is > the link to the motherlode: > > > _Fellowship Wow, you know, the history of LWF sort of reminds me of Armstrong's World Wide Church of God. I think most of you will remember the old guy tha
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The thing that I a discovering is that much of the time, I am speaking conservatively, but MUCH, TOO MUCH of the time the guy preaching is twisting the scriptures, very craftily, with a hypnotic, booming voice, like JRS, twisting the scriptures to suit their own agenda. I have discovered that it is not the bible that is at fault, it is the fault of the motivational speaker/preacher that is at f
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"I am curious what people think with regard to JRS, do you think he deliberately set out to deceive? I am reluctant to accept that myself, I think he became a victim of his own "marketing" or of drinking his own cool aid so-to-speak." I think I agree that JRS was a victim of his own marketing. I don't think he deliberately set out to deceive. I think he actually thou
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Wasn't it about 1963 when Marilyn was put over the editing or whatever in Living Word? I think that was about right. I know she supposedly had an "abusive husband" but I also heard that her husband's biggest offense was not having a real revelation of John Robert Stevens. Or, perhaps his revelation wasn't a match of Marilyn's revelation of John Robert Stevens.
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I was surfing around the web late last night and guess what I found... This is for you old sawmill brethren. google this: logs to pallets. scrag mill/pallet manufacturer nuprin9116 10,944 views
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Considering that Living Word Fellowship always had more "ministries" than it did "sheep" it doesn't surprise me if it has more teachers than it does students in Shiloh U. It also wouldn't surprise me if most of them are working for nothing.
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I think Martha Stevens was right when she said at the divorce that John Stevens was the church. It all revolved around him. As for the members, he was the main reason for the church, it was a closed circuit, he would speak into their egos and they in turn would speak into his ego. They lived to support him and to raise up praised to him. The church sought after a god in the flesh instead of
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That is exactly what I thought about when I read that. "Probe?" hmmm. changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Apostle Dog Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I was reading Reflections From the Wall, by > > Woodrow Nichols. I saw something that I had > never > > he
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I was reading Reflections From the Wall, by Woodrow Nichols. I saw something that I had never heard of, he told about JRS doing something called "the probe." What exactly is that? Nichols seemed to indicate that it had something to do with hypnosis and digging deeply into their subconcious.
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TheJewel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Does this forum work? I keep getting an error > message when I try to post. Sometimes it will have red letters that say something about somebody hacking, when it does that you just have to wait a while before you try to post again. I think there was somebody hacking or whatever and they put up some safety devi
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Welcome TheJewel. It's good to meet you.
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I think I can give some honest insight as to why the "shepherds" were so messed up in giving "words" that were wrong. I have already stressed how little qualifications I had to be in a ministry. I think that if anybody knows me that is reading here, they would agree. I was never a shepherd/pastor/elder/ whatever, it was all just the system that we were in. The little group tha
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kBOY Wrote: > I know many may find this hard to accept, but the > Bible did not float down out of the sky > shrink-wrapped with a TLW bookcover already in > place. kBOY, with talk like that you will NEVER get your cushy job back at the sawmill.
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In our situation, I got stuck in the "authority" situation pretty much out of have to, but I tried like hell to stay in touch with com-central regularly to have someone to be responsible to, also com-west. Often I just didn't get an answer back, just leave a message and wait till you die. I did have the option of two pastors that I regarded as having much more maturity than me
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I think one of the biggest causes of shuttle explosions and train wrecks is that people have a tendency look for someone that they would like to be the perfect guru and set that one up as the one and only fountain of wisdom. When they do find that one that they would like to be the oracle because they like something about him, or her, the tone of voice, the way the pause as the hiss on the end
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I made a mistake, that was not a Latin vulgate, it was two translations that came from the Vatican...Maybe you could pull this up and see what I mean. This was written by one of the guys that worked on the NASB translation. Now this may or may not be the same version that we used back thirty years ago, they change these bibles all the time. But type in the line below and google it.
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I don't have any Living Word tapes or materials from them at all, so I have to just use my memory to think back, but I think the vast majority of the teachings in the church came from one apostle, Paul. Of course, Paul did write the majority of the New Testament, in fact the book of Acts seems to be about Paul after the church got is't start. Paul was on his own for many years before he
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I think the saddest thing that happens because of some nut case with charisma getting the attention of young Christians that are trying to walk with God, is they turn them sour on the word of God, since they can't trust the "revelations" that their former guru fed them, they get to where they can't trust the bible at all. I am finding something different KBOY, I am finding
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This is getting more and more interesting all the time. It's amazing how much you can get out of the bible when you just read it and not listen to anybody, not get their opinion or their agenda planted in your head before you read it in context for yourself. I am wondering where JRS thought we were in the picture. I guess by what he said about Satan being bound, I guess that means in th
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I still try to understand eschatology, because of my short ride on the Walk space shuttle, what I believed before I bailed out I still to this day have in my head. It’s like I bailed out of the Walk space shuttle in time before it completely explodes, but I am still in my parachute trying to find solid ground. I have heard it explained to me that the so called rapture of the church is a sp
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It's good to hear from you again Lily Rose. Happy new year.
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Wow kBOY this might be our chance to get back in the upward flow. I wonder if the sawmill is still running. Maybe you and me could go up there and let them know that we are repenting for leaving them in a bind. kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A.D. > > Speaking of a worker’s union, the workforce has > dwindled to such an extent that th
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I think I am going to call the Teamsters union and see if I can get them to go organize Shiloh's workers. If they go in there and cut off a few pinky fingers they'll make them see the light, boy.
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Well it's New Year's Eave in the South. Here it is just before midnite as I listen to the fire crackers and people shooting up their collard green patch with their new Christmas hunting rifles, and everybody hooting it up pretty good, I try to make a resolution or two. I personally go by the astrological calendar. If it was good enough for ancient Israel it is good enough for me. My new
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kBOY when did you finally call it a day with the Walk? I know you were in a long long time, all the way back to the saw mill sweat shop days. What year did you finally decide to get off the sinking ship and start hoping to be there to help others when they finally took the leap? I know you care about the people still in there. I really hope they will get it together too. But I think to get i
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I guess if anything was learned since I left the Walk over thirty years ago I guess now, is that they seem to understand that the Walk, if anything, may be PART OF the Body of Christ instead of being THE one and only exclusive Body of Christ aka Christ in the Earth. Now, I see the leadership trying to pal up with the Catholics, and I hear Gary got interested in one of the Wham Bam men, can't
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LampShmamp Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Changedagain, just for clarity, do you believe > John Miller is a nephilim? I am referring to your > remark that for unknown reasons Miller sits at the > head of the Nephilim table. Or was your comment > perhaps an outlet for latent animosity towards > him? Just curious. Lamp, or anybody else
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As I think about the latest posts, about John Miller being absolutely rejected by LWF it seems to me that there were undercurrents at work, with JRS gone, the two that TOOK the thing over had the chance to pull off what they had in their hearts the whole time they Gary was screaming "YES THAT'S RIGHT" he was saying to himself, "that's till I replace you" and while Ma
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Well, as we leave Christmas behind and have now entered into the celebration of the New Year, let us now stand for our anthem of freedom, another year free from the chains of the WALK.
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